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I recently got a letter on my 85 ser. #1100. I also have a factory yellow sheet from 1996. Neither mention that the gun is case hardened. The yellow sheet states the gun was returned for repair on 9/27/20 but there is no mention of this on the factory letter? Any way to see what was done?
cwachter said
Neither mention that the gun is case hardened.
That was the standard finish at the time–why mention it?
If presumed factory work isn’t described on the factory letter and/or yellow sheet, logical inference & common sense is pretty much what you’re left with…though those aren’t bad alternatives!
As Clarence stated, case color was the standard finish for the Model 1885, and as such, it would not be noted in the factory ledger records. If your factory letter does not mention an R&R, the yellow sheet contains incorrect information.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Eagle said
What is a “yellow letter”?
It is/was not a yellow “letter”… instead, it was a “yellow sheet“, and it was the previous (older) version of the current research sheet that the CFM records office provides to members today. For those of us that have been CFM members for more than 20-years, it was what was commonly used to verify a Winchester.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
It is/was not a yellow “letter”… instead, it was a “yellow sheet“, and it was the previous (older) version of the current research sheet that the CFM records office provides to members today. For those of us that have been CFM members for more than 20-years, it was what was commonly used to verify a Winchester.
Bert
Here is the yellow sheet that shows the return for repair.
Thanks for the photo. I have not been collecting long enough to see one of those I guess. Peter
Cost was part of it. Dealers don’t collect letters they just want to see that what they bought is right, especially deluxe guns. When I first started I always bought letters. After awhile I stopped because I was sure the gun was right. CFM gave me a discount on a bundle of letters so I got 11 at one time. Same thing here lately after talking to Jessie at Vegas I ordered 4 more. Lucked out, Jessie told me that I still had a free one coming.
Members can get an email response or if CFM is at a show they will call in and then give you a Show Search Form usually within minutes. Depending on your contribution level and membership with WACA you get a certain amount of these free.
cwachter said
Cost was part of it.
What’s the rest of it? Other than the typing & letterhead?
Chuck,
That yellow sheet as some fictional information on it… specifically, there was no “R&R” for serial number 1100. Based on the date on your yellow sheet, I suspect that Waddy was the person who created it.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert do you recognize the initials? Looks like DEA.
Clarence that is why it took years for me to pay for a letter on a gun that I knew was correct.
Eagle said
Thanks for the photo. I have not been collecting long enough to see one of those I guess. Peter
…nor I. Thanks!!
cwachter said
Bert do you recognize the initials? Looks like DEA.Clarence that is why it took years for me to pay for a letter on a gun that I knew was correct.
No, I do not recognize the initials. The scanned copy is not large enough or clear enough for me to read and interpret everything on it. That stated, it might have been Dena Hollowell who wrote your yellow sheet. She used her initials “DLH”
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
cwachter said
Bert do you recognize the initials? Looks like DEA.Clarence that is why it took years for me to pay for a letter on a gun that I knew was correct.
Clarence, I belong to several organizations and attend a lot of functions. I like to contribute to each, above the annual fees, to help support the organization. So after talking to Jessie I bought the letters to help support the CFM. It’s like buying the raffle tickets at WACA.
I had a yellow sheet on one and a Show Report on another. Bert had helped me with all 4. One was a 2nd model Hotchkiss that I knew the record would only state what it was. Since it was military issue all of the receivers went to the Springfield Armory where Springfield stocks and barrels were installed.
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