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May 15, 2022 - 1:10 pm
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I was told that the buttstocks on all 1873 Winchesters produced between 1873 and 1923 had the tunnel for a 3-piece or 4-piece cleaning rod, and that in the later years buttplates no longer had the trapdoor to access the tunnel.

Is this true?

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Sporting rifles, muskets and carbines in .44 and .38 had buttplates with the opening for the cleaning rods.  The .22 and .32 caliber arms didn’t have the opening.  To my knowledge shotgun butt plates (rubber or steel) didn’t have the opening for cleaning rods.

I consulted the Gordon survey books to make sure I wasn’t giving any bad information.  I suppose it’s possible that there exceptions.  Also, a gun may have had a buttplate changed out over the years.

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Thanks for the reply.

You mentioned buttplates but what about buttstocks? Did buttstocks for .22 and .32 caliber Winchesters still have the tunnel?

I ask because I am doing research on the 1873 Winchester used by Paul Newman in the 1967 Western film, Hombre.

Attached is a comparison of its buttstock and buttplate with another 1873 Winchester. Both are .44 WCF. Note how the Hombre Winchester does not have an cleaning rod opening in either the buttstock or buttplate. In all but once scene in the film the buttplate does not have an opening.This suggests the buttstock may have been damaged during filming and replaced.

Also note that the buttstocks have different shapes and dimensions. If the buttstock and buttplate came from another rifle what could it have been? Or could the buttstock have been fabricated in the movie studio shop?

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Ronald,

all 73’s have the hole in the stock for the cleaning rods including 22’s and 32’s. They made the stocks to fit all calibers. I haven’t looked under shotgun butt 73’s too much so I can’t say 100% but I have a 1901 94 with a shotgun butt with the hole in the stock.

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Thanks for the reply!

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May 16, 2022 - 4:53 pm
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Ronald, I can’t see an attachment?

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Ronald,

Post some pictures of it.

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Don’t know why it didn’t upload the first time.

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Bob and Chuck:

Were you able to see the photo I posted earlier?

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I see the pictures but they are very low resolution. What you want to find out is the Hombre stock original Winchester, a modified original or a homemade stock. To tell that you need to look at the inletting.

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Ronald,

The wood was not originally 1873 wood and the inletting has been modified by someone that was not a professional.

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Can’t tell you how much I appreciate your reply! I’ve giving a presentation on the Hombre Winchester at the upcoming Winchester Collector Show in Cody, WY on 9 July and that information is very useful! Much thanks!

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Ronald, I can’t wait to see your gun.  I told you before Hombre is one of my favorite movies.  Is your gun marked with a S or some movie studio mark?

The companies that supplied guns to the studios often made up guns or changed parts.

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“20TH FOX” stamped on the bottom of the receiver. “5 IN 1” is scratched on top of the receiver, which lets the armorer know that the rifle accepts the 5 in 1 blank compatible with 3 revolvers (.45 Colt, .44-40, and .38-40) and 2 rifles (.44-40 and .38-40) commonly used in Screen-Shot-2022-05-26-at-7.00.51-PM.pngImage EnlargerScreen-Shot-2022-05-26-at-7.01.21-PM.pngImage EnlargerWestern movies and TV shows. The rifle was in 20th Century Fox’s armory. It, along with a group of other rifles was purchased by Peter Sherayko (Texas Jack Vermillion in the 1993 Western, TOMBSTONE) on auction in the late 1980s.

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Ronald Clayton said
“20TH FOX” stamped on the bottom of the receiver. “5 IN 1” is scratched on top of the receiver, which lets the armorer know that the rifle accepts the 5 in 1 blank compatible with 3 revolvers (.45 Colt, .44-40, and .38-40) and 2 rifles (.44-40 and .38-40) commonly used in Screen-Shot-2022-05-26-at-7.00.51-PM.pngImage EnlargerScreen-Shot-2022-05-26-at-7.01.21-PM.pngImage EnlargerWestern movies and TV shows. The rifle was in 20th Century Fox’s armory. It, along with a group of other rifles was purchased by Peter Sherayko (Texas Jack Vermillion in the 1993 Western, TOMBSTONE) on auction in the late 1980s.

  

I have a Model 1905 Colt semi auto that is marked Fox Studios.  Fox will not help me determine which movies this gun was in.  There is speculation that Lee Marvin used it but no actual proof.

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I tried to get information from them on the Hombre Winchester. They ignored me.

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