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.50 checkering in letter?
March 4, 2013
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Guys,
Never seen this before, but likely someone out there has. If a gun letters as "0.5 checked" or "0.5 checkering" what does that mean?
Matt

March 4, 2013
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Matt,

I have looked at more than 150,000 record entries (various models) and I have never seen what you have mentioned.

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March 4, 2013
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Bert,

Will email you the Cody Letter. It is a gun I am looking into. Maybe a reference to the size of the checkering. Never seen that before myself, but that is what the letter says.

Matt

March 4, 2013
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Got it... that is a very interesting rifle!

I think that it might be in reference to the mis-matched checkering patterns. The butt stock has the I-Pattern, and both barrel assemblies have the H-Pattern (odd for plain walnut, but not unheard of).

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Bert H. said
Got it... that is a very interesting rifle!

I think that it might be in reference to the mis-matched checkering patterns. The butt stock has the I-Pattern, and both barrel assemblies have the H-Pattern (odd for plain walnut, but not unheard of).

Bert

Yes, indeed it is isn't it. I think you may be correct, that is the other possibility I had in mind.
Yes, I don't know that I have seen plain walnut with H Pattern checkering, but I have seen 2 X wood with I Pattern. Found that a bit odd, but it was correct. Just used to seeing H with the fancy wood.

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March 4, 2013
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Inquiring minds want to know. Pictures? 😕 ❓

March 5, 2013
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Do you have an image of the actual ledger entry?

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March 5, 2013
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twobit said
Do you have an image of the actual ledger entry?

Michael

Hi Michael,

No, I do not have a copy of the ledger entry, but am working on it:) All I am going by right now is a search Jesi did for me yesterday and a couple pics of the gun. I will provide more info as soon as I can, ledger copy if can get one, and better photos which are coming.

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March 17, 2013
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Yikes,
I forgot all about this post. Sorry guys. Here is a link to the rifle in question:

http://www.gunsinternational.com/Winchester-94-TD-factory-two-barrel-set-.cfm?gun_id=100322134

The Cody info I got from Cody (and I double checked the ledger entry too) is as follows:

Winchester 1894
s/n 321,975
s/n applied 10-23-1906
Date in 11-22-1906
Rifle
32 W.S.
1/2 oct
24" barrel
Plain Trigger
Plain PG .50 checked
1/2 magazine
Take Down
Hard Rubber SGB
Other Information: Interchange 38-55, 1/2 Oct, 24" half mag, Nickel Steel, .50 checked.
Date shipped 11-30-1906
Order 77571

I was thinking maybe the .50 may mean "50 cents" worth of checking. Also thought of the possibility it had something to do with the width / dimensions of the checking. Thinking maybe the former, we often see for example, "$2.50 engraving", etc, so may make sense.

Odd thing though is that the forearms are "H pattern" checking, while the buttstock (like in Peter's recent post) is mismatched with I style checking. I got more photos from the seller which I will add here. Given that and the fact the fit is not perfect on spots, thinking the buttstock maybe a replacement, though wood color / grain certainly seems to match both forearms. No markings in upper tang channel in buttstock nor under buttplate. Shame if it was replaced, it is a really nice rare rifle, in the Armax study.

Another thing, the 38-55 barrel is not proofed, they often grabbed barrels from old stock for 2 barrel sets and other real special order guns, but you would think they would have proofed it, not sure what to think about that. The 38-55 barrel also has the more scarce variation of Nickel Steel marking.

Anyway, I had totally forgot about this post I started, but reading Peter's post on another gun with odd checking on GB, reminded me of it. So, here it is, Cody info and a few photos of the .50 checked wood. Figure that is at least correct for the forearms. The current owner, a real nice fellow, sent me this additional photos:

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March 17, 2013
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The stock does not fit the receiver, my guess its been restocked and there is not enough good pictures of the forearm to tell if its correct. I would agree the .50 is probable a 50 cent checkering.

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