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Hello all and in particularly Bert,
I am trying to find out how many .405’s were produced in model 95 and what the earliest of them would be numbered.
Any information would be much appreciated
Kind regards
Wayne
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Wayne,
I do not know the answer to either of your questions, but Brad Dunbar might. He is assisting Rob Kassab in the research for a new reference book on the Model 1895.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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Hi Wayne
I can only comment, for the most part, on what I have so far in a survey that currently totals just over 1100 entries.
They start showing up in large numbers in the early 40,000 serial range and were made and also shipped in 1903. I’m confident that, like many other Winchesters, there are 405s with much lower serial numbers on the rifle, but were probably not shipped before c. 1903.
As far as numbers go, my current best guess is that there may be more 405s than once realized. I can only make an educated guess on what I’ve observed so far, and what is known from the first 59,999 records, of which the .405 caught approx. the last 20,000. With only 1100 entries I’ve found that the survey totals are not yet accurate compared to some known totals. An example of this are 1st Models, or “Flatsides”. I’m currently getting them in the survey at a rate 3-4X actual production.
We could definitely use more entries as the survey continues. Anyone interested can email me at [email protected]
Thanks!
I took a look at the survey, and after excluding 7.62mm Russian Muskets, .405 chambered ’95s make up about 11.5% of the remaining chambers recorded so far. It will be interesting to see what that percentage is in the future survey totals.
Brad,
What I have done is save an end of the year copy of all my surveys, and create a new file at the beginning of each year. In doing that, I can look back several years and see which direction the various totals & percentages are moving as the survey continues to grow. For some models, I have up to a 10-year survey history.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
With only 1100 entries I’ve found that the survey totals are not yet accurate compared to some known totals. An example of this are 1st Models, or “Flatsides”. I’m currently getting them in the survey at a rate 3-4X actual production.
The most active people on this and other sites are collectors/enthusiasts. They are more likely to have the more desirable versions hence this maybe is showing up in your data? Just a thought.
Wayne
Hi Wayne
Yes, I have wondered out loud about that quite a bit as far as 1st Models, deluxe or special order Winchesters showing up at a larger rate in the beginning. I will guess that the totals will eventually start showing a lower percentage of 1st Models as the survey continues on over time. Hopefully by continuing to add entries into the survey from many sources, such as small auctions (as Bert has mentioned), etc. will help achieve more accurate results in the end.
Brad
I sold a deluxe .405 on GB last year. I’ll try to locate the serial number and post it. Also we have a .405 in our family (I killed a caribou with it) that my great grand father bought at the urging of TR after one of his African safaris. TR used to write him. Wanted him to join the Rough Riders. Sadly a foster relative stole the family bible that had the letters in it, never to be seen again. The .405 mentioned has a Stainless barrel on it from the factory. I could probably get the serial number for that one. My cousin has it.
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