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Bert – 

I have a Winchester Model 64 for your survey;

Standard rifle

S/N 1137707

219 Zipper

Bolt Peep

26″ Barrel

 

Let me know if you need any more information.

RR

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Thanks… it is a new entry in the Model 64 survey.

Winchester was real busy making a substantial batch of Model 64 219 Zipper rifles at the time your rifle was manufactured.  Below is a brief listing of my research survey;

Column 4 is the status of the receiver frame being D&T for a peep sight

Column 5 is the butt plate type

Column 7 is the upper tang marking type

1130374 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/5/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1131010 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/11/1937 Type 6 Deer Rifle ?
1132018 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/18/1937 Type 6 Deer Rifle Bolt Peep
1132149 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/21/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1132164 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/21/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep Scoped, Bbl cut to 20″
1132509 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/21/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1133026 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/21/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1133136 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/28/1937 Type 6 Deer Rifle Bolt Peep
1133156 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/28/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1133224 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/29/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1133239 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/29/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1133248 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/29/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1133378 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/30/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep (missing)
1133398 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 6/30/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Lyman No. 56
1136096 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/19/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle ?
1136264 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/20/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1136287 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/20/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1137140 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/27/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1137175 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/27/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1137181 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/27/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1137334 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/27/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1137693 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/29/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1137707 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/29/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1137729 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/29/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Lyman No. 56
1137901 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 7/30/1937 Type 6 ? ?
1138228 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 8/3/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep
1139311 64 219 ZIPPER Yes M1897 CS 8/13/1937 Type 6 Sporting Rifle Bolt Peep (missing)

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Bert,

I have found two Model 64 219 Zipper standard rifles in an upcoming auction.  Both have serial numbers indicating 1951 production per your Red Book and the WACA look up table.  But something ain’t right.

1819924 appears to have a 26″ barrel with bolt peep sight. No D&T on left receiver.  Strangely, the description says 1936 production.

1799416 appears to have a 26″ barrel with barrel mounted sporting rear sight. Left side of receiver appears to be D&T for peep sight.

I can’t tell much else about these rifles from the few photos available and am confused about the serial numbers.  Specifically, would 1819924 be correct as described with a bolt peep, no D&T, in 219 Zipper?  Or is 1951 too late for a rifle in this configuration?  How can I tell if this rifle is correct?

Thanks for your assessment.

Mac

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Mac,

I really need to see the pictures of both rifles. Please send me a link to the auction you found them in.

As a point of interest, I have Model 64 S/N 1799413 in my survey, and it is identical to your description of 1799416.

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Bert,

I have serial number 1667980. Underside of barrel is marked 37. Winchester must have done a cleanup on the 219 Zippers in the early 1950’s.

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Don,

That is my thought on it as well.  Thus far, I have documented (10) Model 64 219 Zipper rifles manufactured in the years 1950 – 1956.

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Bert H. said
Mac,
I really need to see the pictures of both rifles. Please send me a link to the auction you found them in.
As a point of interest, I have Model 64 S/N 1799413 in my survey, and it is identical to your description of 1799416.
Bert  

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Bert,

Here is the link.  You will need to scroll down through the description to see the few photos that are available.

I expanded the full profile photo of the M64 Zipper with bolt beep, 1819924, and the barrel appears to have a rear sight dovetail with blank and two proof marks.  I can’t tell what the proof marks are.  Possibly the full Winchester proof and a circle P proof.

Appreciate your thoughts.

Mac

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Big Mac said
Bert,
Here is the link.  You will need to scroll down through the description to see the few photos that are available.
I expanded the full profile photo of the M64 Zipper with bolt beep, 1819924, and the barrel appears to have a rear sight dovetail with blank and two proof marks.  I can’t tell what the proof marks are.  Possibly the full Winchester proof and a circle P proof.
Appreciate your thoughts.
Mac
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  While I cannot state with absolute certainty, I suspect that this rifle was either a parts clean-up gun, or a special request, and that Winchester used one of their mail order parts barrels to assemble it.  The fact that it has a bolt peep sight is what led me to that conclusion.

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Bert H. said

  While I cannot state with absolute certainty, I suspect that this rifle was either a parts clean-up gun, or a special request, and that Winchester used one of their mail order parts barrels to assemble it.  The fact that it has a bolt peep sight is what led me to that conclusion.

Bert  

Bert thank you sir.

Mac

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