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I can’t find the info that Bert has posted several times so..  Barrel is dated 42.  What do you make of this one?

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Chuck,

It is in the correct serial range for a WW II Trench Gun.  That stated, I would like to see a picture of the left-hand side of the receiver frame and the butt stock.  It should have a “GHD” cartouche on the left side of the butt stock, and a machined “U.S.” and flaming ordnance bomb on the receiver.

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Chuck,

It is in the correct serial range for a WW II Trench Gun.  That stated, I would like to see a picture of the left-hand side of the receiver frame and the butt stock.  It should have a “GHD” cartouche on the left side of the butt stock, and a machined “U.S.” and flaming ordnance bomb on the receiver.

Bert  

Bert, it has the GHD, circle P, the US and flaming bomb.  I was more interested in the barrel markings and the location of the model number.  You have posted the various Types but I couldn’t find them.  Which type is this?

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Chuck,

The barrel marking is the correct type for a WW II Trench Gun. That stated, it should have a “WP” versus circle “P” stamped on the top of the barrel.

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Thanks Bert.  I will take a closer look at the barrel the next time I see the gun.  Where did you post the examples of the Types?  The hand guard blocks the end of the Pat info.

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Did anyone else notice that the heat shield on that gun sits about 1/2 inch further back than is normal.  With the bayonet adaptor/heat shield on the gun you should be able to see the last two letters of the word “MODEL” (i.e., “EL 97”) on the barrel.  On this gun you only see “97”.

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Chuck,

To the best of mu knowledge, I have not posted pictures of Model 97 barrel address types. As it applies to the WW II Trench Guns, they all had the exact same barrel marking.

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Did anyone else notice that the heat shield on that gun sits about 1/2 inch further back than is normal.  With the bayonet adaptor/heat shield on the gun you should be able to see the last two letters of the word “MODEL” (i.e., “EL 97”) on the barrel.  On this gun you only see “97”.  

Yes, that is one of the reasons I was interested in pictures.  I did mention the hand guard blocking the other side.  I said hand guard but should have said  heat shield.

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Yes, that is one of the reasons I was interested in pictures.  I did mention the hand guard blocking the other side.  I said hand guard but should have said  heat shield.  

Most collectors call them handguards. BTW, the picture I sent was not posted, so take a look at mine. 99%. 100% original. It’s what’s left of my US militaria collection. I have all the accouterments that go with it as well. Big LarryM1897-Trenchgun-1.JPGImage Enlarger

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Model 12 trench gun at auction on Proxibid.

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Military-Artifacts/Firearms/CR-US-Marked-Winchester-Mod-12-Trench-Gun-12-Gauge/lotInformation/62640585

One odd thing is that the serial number on the receiver is upside down as compared to normal.  Has anyone seen this before?

The forend appears to be a later replacement.  

Thanks, Kevin 

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Colsuper said
Model 12 trench gun at auction on Proxibid.

https://www.proxibid.com/Firearms-Military-Artifacts/Firearms/CR-US-Marked-Winchester-Mod-12-Trench-Gun-12-Gauge/lotInformation/62640585

One odd thing is that the serial number on the receiver is upside down as compared to normal.  Has anyone seen this before?

The forend appears to be a later replacement.  

Thanks, Kevin   

In my opinion, it is a complete (poorly executed) fake.

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I agree with Bert.  It’s a total fake from the bogus stock and receiver markings to the wrong bayonet adaptor/heat shield and forearm.  

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Thank you both for the information. I did not think it was correct, but I am far from knowledgeable on these.

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