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February 4, 2008
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Most people are familiar with the 20,000 model 1892 SRC in .44WCF purchased by the British Admiralty during 1915 and issued to misalliances craft. These bear the DCP mark.
In addition there is the purchase of a 1,000 carbines by Lord Nunburnholme in February 1915 and then gifted to the nation. I have never found anything related to this purchase in the Mccracken Library unfortunately. I did contact the current Lord Nunburnholme but he had no knowledge of his Grandfathers time in the war. The family name is Wilson and they made their money in shipping.
Some Model 1892 SRC in .44WCF have been observed without the DCP mark but bearing a typical British ordnance proof mark of crossed pennants. These examples are rare.I have only recorded 3 of these in my data base. It is not known for certain if this marking was applied to the Lord Nunburnholme purchase/gift but it seems likely.
Does anyone else have one of these carbines with this marking that I can add to my survey?
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AlanD
February 4, 2008
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Bump.
March 20, 2009
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Hello Alan,
What SN’s do you have with this proof stamp? I will check my data and take a look. Though I may have missed one or two thinking that they were marked with the DCP stamp.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
February 4, 2008
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Hi Michael
I have only 4.
7083XX
783722
788731
790944
Looking at the first one listed I wonder if this is a typo and the s/n is really, 7830XX ?
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Alan
March 20, 2009
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Hello Alan,
So far I have not found any additional examples in my data. It is a bit laborious as I have to look at each image file folder for the DCP marked guns on my list to see if I misinterpreted the proof style. I should be able to complete the search today. I do agree that the SN 7083XX is most likely a typo.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
February 4, 2008
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One more has surfaced recently.
777952 Crossed Pennants and P|N|1 on receiver side wall
This one has Royal Navy markings on the frame, which I have also seen on a DCP Model 1894 SRC.
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AlanD
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April 15, 2005
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Have you ever observed or found a Model 1894 Carbine with the crossed pennants marking? Thus far I have documented (55) DCP marked Model 1894 Carbines, all in the 720469 – 750448 serial number range.
Bert
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March 20, 2009
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Horilka said
Two more: 751585 (the lowest so far) and 781360
That makes 10 in my database.
Thanks so much
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
October 30, 2025
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Bert H. said
Have you ever observed or found a Model 1894 Carbine with the crossed pennants marking? Thus far I have documented (55) DCP marked Model 1894 Carbines, all in the 720469 – 750448 serial number range.
Bert
Hi Bert. No, so far I found and posted here only three 1892 samples I found. I’m on the lookout of anything with military/LE/militia provenance, so I scan all Winchesters, including 1894s on all Canadian auctions and all local gun shows in Toronto area.
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twobit said
That makes 11 in my database.
Thanks so much
Michael
Glad to assist, Michael. Do you mind sharing those here or in PM? I have only 8.
April 15, 2005
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Horilka said
Bert H. said
Have you ever observed or found a Model 1894 Carbine with the crossed pennants marking? Thus far I have documented (55) DCP marked Model 1894 Carbines, all in the 720469 – 750448 serial number range.
Bert
Hi Bert. No, so far I found and posted here only three 1892 samples I found. I’m on the lookout of anything with military/LE/militia provenance, so I scan all Winchesters, including 1894s on all Canadian auctions and all local gun shows in Toronto area.
As am I for the Model 1894s. Currently I have (28) of the “City of Toronto” marked Carbines, (55) “DCP” marked Carbines, and (693) of the PCMR Winchesters. I also have (328) of the WW I French Contract Model 1894 Carbines, (4) of the “BCP” marked Model 94 Carbines and (10) of the British proofed WW II “Lend Lease” Model 94 Carbines.
Bert
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March 20, 2009
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Horilka said
twobit said
That makes 11 in my database.
Thanks so much
Michael
Glad to assist, Michael. Do you mind sharing those here or in PM? I have only 8.
Here is a portion of my spreadsheet that has them. I would also be very interested in any local Canadian auctions or websites that I can include in my usual searches for ANY Model 1892 rifle for my survey.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
December 9, 2002
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Michael,
That’s a well organized spread sheet! Nice work!
Anthony
March 20, 2009
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Anthony said
Michael,
That’s a well organized spread sheet! Nice work!
Anthony
I am no Excel wizard by any stretch. I can obviously search via different columns and progressions of columns to isolate a certain configuration or characteristic. This is sorted on “Other Information” where i note Things like proof stamps of engraving styles or anything that is typically not consistent over the entire production and therefore I do not have dozens of more columns with info in very few of them.
Michael
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twobit said
Anthony said
Michael,
That’s a well organized spread sheet! Nice work!
Anthony
I am no Excel wizard by any stretch. I can obviously search via different columns and progressions of columns to isolate a certain configuration or characteristic. This is sorted on “Other Information” where i note Things like proof stamps of engraving styles or anything that is typically not consistent over the entire production and therefore I do not have dozens of more columns with info in very few of them.
Michael
The old saying, KISS, that many of us old timers grew up with, is a good reminder to me, as I remember it often in what I try to do on the PC, as I’m a constant work in progress, but willing to learn and adapt in most cases every day! 
I like you’re format!
Anthony
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Anthony said
Anthony said
Michael,
That’s a well organized spread sheet! Nice work!
Anthony
The old saying, KISS, that many of us old timers grew up with, is a good reminder to me, as I remember it often in what I try to do on the PC, as I’m a constant work in progress, but willing to learn and adapt in most cases every day!
I like you’re format!
Anthony
It was a good exercise to do and I found I had entered SN 777700 twice in my spreadsheet. I have amended it and the relevant posts in this thread.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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twobit said
Here is a portion of my spreadsheet that has them. I would also be very interested in any local Canadian auctions or websites that I can include in my usual searches for ANY Model 1892 rifle for my survey.
Michael
Michael, crosschecking your and my list I found a serial that is not present on yours – 780257. So total number of serials is 11.
As for for monitoring Canadian market. I monitor auctions, some Canadians stores that specialize in vintage firearm, local gunshows. I plan to continue to share my finds with you and Bert (in case of 1894s). I suppose the only thing you can monitor remotely is auctions – go to iCollector, filter by Canada and Firearms/Guns type of auctions. Big 3 of Canadian gun auctions are Switzer, Landborough and Ward. Mind that descriptions are not always to be trusted. Last Switzer auction had 751585 listed as “DCP marked” gun.
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Horilka said
twobit said
Here is a portion of my spreadsheet that has them. I would also be very interested in any local Canadian auctions or websites that I can include in my usual searches for ANY Model 1892 rifle for my survey.
Michael
Michael, crosschecking your and my list I found a serial that is not present on yours – 780257. So total number of serials is 11.
As for for monitoring Canadian market. I monitor auctions, some Canadians stores that specialize in vintage firearm, local gunshows. I plan to continue to share my finds with you and Bert (in case of 1894s). I suppose the only thing you can monitor remotely is auctions – go to iCollector, filter by Canada and Firearms/Guns type of auctions. Big 3 of Canadian gun auctions are Switzer, Landborough and Ward. Mind that descriptions are not always to be trusted. Last Switzer auction had 751585 listed as “DCP marked” gun.
Please add Model 53s, 55s, 64s, 65s, and 71s to the list.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
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