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1885/CF musket rear sight
September 13, 2021
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Hello,

Wondering if someone can I.D. the sight info that the Cody researchers sent. Have an 1885 HW/CF (just under 50K #) that is a musket but missing it’s rear sight. Cody  stated the sights were “Sights: Military wing gauge”. Is this the same as a Hotchkiss sight with ” large ear wings” in front? Or is wing actually “wind” gauge?

Thanks for any info. This probably needs to go to an”1885″ forum if it exists.

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September 13, 2021
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Orlando Lanni said  Or is wing actually “wind” gauge?
 

Yes it is.  Any catalog of the period shows what it looks like. 

September 13, 2021
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This is the sight referred to in your factory letter;

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September 13, 2021
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Thank you Bert,

Is this the same as the one used on the Hotchkiss of ’79/’83 ? Did Win double duty their sights or produce or buy them from a third party? I was going to look for a replacement and figured more likely to find a Hotchkiss since I read somewhere that the Win CF muskets under #70K are only about 237 putting them in the “orphan” class as far as spare parts production.

Would you know any shops that produce these sights?

thanks again

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September 13, 2021
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Orlando Lanni said
Thank you Bert,

Is this the same as the one used on the Hotchkiss of ’79/’83 ?

Same one.

September 14, 2021
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Orlando Lanni said
Thank you Bert,

Is this the same as the one used on the Hotchkiss of ’79/’83 ? Did Win double duty their sights or produce or buy them from a third party? I was going to look for a replacement and figured more likely to find a Hotchkiss since I read somewhere that the Win CF muskets under #70K are only about 237 putting them in the “orphan” class as far as spare parts production.

Would you know any shops that produce these sights?

thanks again

O. Lanni  

Winchester actually manufactured (478) center fire Single Shot Muskets, of which (347) were 45-70s.  The Hotchkiss sight is what you need, and No, I do not know of anyone making reproductions.

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478 CF muskets and 347 ..45-70s!  And those all went to non-military purchases I guess. Amazing how many people wanted a full stock on their firearm. Maybe old CW soldiers? This one is in .40-60 WCF. I’m already loading for another HW in that cal so I figured, why not.  I just found a bunch of High res pics of the Hotchkiss front sight, now that i know what I’m looking for. May fire up the old Bridgeport soon and make a fascimile to hold me for shooting.  Been trying to get out of this Covid slump and this new project will help.

Thanks again Bert.

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Orlando Lanni said  And those all went to non-military purchases I guess. Amazing how many people wanted a full stock on their firearm. Maybe old CW soldiers?

CW vets could have saved money by buying a surplus Trap-Door Springfield–basically a CW musket converted to breech-loading.  More likely it was for use in one of NRA’s matches for “any military arm,” the definition of which was broad; in actual practice it meant a full-length stock & military-style rear sight.  Winchester called the sight you’re looking for a “military wind-guage,” not a Hotchkiss.

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Orlando Lanni said
478 CF muskets and 347 ..45-70s!  And those all went to non-military purchases I guess. 
Thanks again Bert.

O.Lanni  

Nope… (60) of them were specifically manufactured and shipped to Hawaii for the Hawaiian Guard.  They were in two separate orders, with the first batch of (40) in the 24,000 S/N range, and the second batch of (20) in the early 70,000 S/N range.

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Great stuff Bert and Clarence, thanks for all the historic info and clarifying some points for me.

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