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November 7, 2015
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OK, we’ve hi-jacked some excellent threads with posts about quality time spent in our loading rooms. It’s hard to find ANY ammo on the store shelves or websites these days so if you like to shoot old Winchesters you probably load-or should. It’s been a long summer but it’s time to take that old Winchester to the range and if you’re like me you need to put some ammo on the shelf. Bonus points for posts about casting and Holy Black, of course!
Mike
I didn’t load anything but went to my local dealer who specializes in reloading supplies. Still no primers of any kind but I am #86 on the large primer list ?.
I did buy 100 Remington soft point .257″, 86gr bullets to try with my Model 1892 25-20. Normally I shoot only cast bullets so I am looking forward to making several loads with these bullets to try during my next trip to the range.
Yesterday was a better day for me to answer this question. At least today I am loading a Winchester cartridge – the vintage 66 year old .243 WCF!
I bought 70 once fired 30 WCF cases yesterday. All hat and no cattle. I have the dies too but no 30-30 rifle, yet.
I am working on an out of country brass purchase. If all works OK I will post the website. Probably will know this week. When I tracked the shipment it was through customs and in my state. The guy lists almost all of the lever action calibers. When you pay by credit card they take care of the exchange rates so not to worry about that.
Just started reloading last month.
needed 45 long colt was lucking to find a shop that would work with me and he had every thing.Was a little nervous at first but it not that hard. Measure Twice cut once
This afternoon, I loaded up 15 rounds of .45-75 for my original Winchester 76 SRC. Here’s a photo of five of my reloads alongside two originals.
Kirk Durston said
This afternoon, I loaded up 15 rounds of .45-75 for my original Winchester 76 SRC. Here’s a photo of five of my reloads alongside two originals.
Nice looking cartridges. I’ve always liked the looks of the .45-75. I would rather my M1876 .45-60 (and my Whitney-Kennedys in .45-60) were in .45-75.
I’ve just finished gathering all the components I need to load for my original rifle. If you would share your loading info. and velocity you expect I’d surely appreciate it. I have 5744 accurate and meister 350 gr. bullets.
Darrin
November 7, 2015
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Nice job on the 45-75 loads, Kirk. Always liked the BP bottleneck cartridges. Are those bullets from an Accurate mould?
Mike
Darrin Smith said
I’ve just finished gathering all the components I need to load for my original rifle. If you would share your loading info. and velocity you expect I’d surely appreciate it. I have 5744 accurate and meister 350 gr. bullets.Darrin
28 grains of 5744 under a 350 grain soft cast bullet (pure clip on wheel weights, air cooled) gives me an average velocity of 1,330 FPS across my chronograph, depending on the temperature.
Kirk Durston said
28 grains of 5744 under a 350 grain soft cast bullet (pure clip on wheel weights, air cooled) gives me an average velocity of 1,330 FPS across my chronograph, depending on the temperature.
Kirk Durston said
28 grains of 5744 under a 350 grain soft cast bullet (pure clip on wheel weights, air cooled) gives me an average velocity of 1,330 FPS across my chronograph, depending on the temperature.
I use 28 grains of 5744 with a 405 grain bullet in my 45-70 and get 1,310 fps.
I have been using 25 grains of 4198 with a 300 grain bullet in my 45-75 for 1,256 fps.
TXGunNut said
Nice job on the 45-75 loads, Kirk. Always liked the BP bottleneck cartridges. Are those bullets from an Accurate mould?
Mike
Thanks, Mike. Yes, the bullets are from an Accurate mould. Tom recommended it as the one that was closest to original specs.
Chuck, that’s interesting. My 45-70 load is 26 grains under a 405 grain soft cast bullet for 1,373 fps avg, as measured over my Chronograph. 28 grains would be a smokin’ fast load out of my original 86. The Lyman reloading manual posts incredibly slow speeds for their 5744 powder in the 45-70, so I wonder why my 45-70 load is so fast in comparison. For example, they say that 26 grains of 5744 under a cast 405 grain bullet gives 1,189 fps. The only thing I can think of to explain the difference is that maybe they are using hardcast bullets and I’m using softcast?
November 7, 2015
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One thing that I have to remind myself often is that what we call wheel weight alloy was “hard” lead in the early days of cartridge ammunition. Venturino in his “Shooting Lever Guns of the Old West” lists 28 grains of 5744 under an RCBS 45-405 FN. I’ve tried the same charge under a Lyman 457193 with no issues. Venturino’s velocities were similar to Chuck’s, I haven’t chrono’d my loads.
Mike
Kirk Durston said
Thanks, Mike. Yes, the bullets are from an Accurate mould. Tom recommended it as the one that was closest to original specs.
Chuck, that’s interesting. My 45-70 load is 26 grains under a 405 grain soft cast bullet for 1,373 fps avg, as measured over my Chronograph. 28 grains would be a smokin’ fast load out of my original 86. The Lyman reloading manual posts incredibly slow speeds for their 5744 powder in the 45-70, so I wonder why my 45-70 load is so fast in comparison. For example, they say that 26 grains of 5744 under a cast 405 grain bullet gives 1,189 fps. The only thing I can think of to explain the difference is that maybe they are using hardcast bullets and I’m using softcast?
Can’t really explain why? Maybe it’s the bullet material or the bore diameter? When I order my bullets I tell them I’m using smokeless in a black powder era rifle.
They match their lead and lube to what I am shooting.
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