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December 12, 2019
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Zebulon said
And, finally, I was lucky to pick up a Kimber of Oregon 82B Super America in 22 WMR at a DACA show after the manufacturer folded. I equipped it with a 6XAO Leupold Compact and found it to be quite accurate with the CCI 50 grain bullet. It was the last Kimber I let go.
If I’d ever owned a Kimber rimfire, especially a ‘Kimber of Oregon Super America’, and then sold it, I think I have trouble sleeping. I’ve drooled over those for decades, but never parted with the $ to own one. Obviously, I should have jumped decades ago when they were only a few hundred dollars.
And keeping with the tone of this thread, I have a Marlin bolt action 22 WMR which provides suitable accuracy for ground squirrels and jacks, although I’ve never attempted to test it for group on paper. I’d predict it would easily keep within an inch at 50 yards with my hoarded supply of Winchester Super X FMJ.
Paul
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Nevada Paul said
“And keeping with the tone of this thread, I have a Marlin bolt action 22 WMR which provides suitable accuracy for ground squirrels and jacks, although I’ve never attempted to test it for group on paper. I’d predict it would easily keep within an inch at 50 yards with my hoarded supply of Winchester Super X FMJ.”
Paul
Paul, The Kimber of Oregon startup, rise and demise is a classic lesson for would-be entrepreneurs — a good product introduced at the right time, polished by wise and timely advice into a blockbuster product for which there was great demand, inadequate capitalization, reckless expansion, running out of money, failure and bankruptcy. The first lesson in corporate finance ought to be “You can’t eat [or pay employees and suppliers with] accounts receivable.”
The Kimber of Oregon 82 rimfires and a mini-Mauser .223 Rem. rifle I owned did not rest in a gunsafe but were used in the field, albeit carefully. The WMR slew Rio Grande turkeys, loaded with that same Super X 50 grain FMJ round.
After I finally got my Winchester 52C Sporting, the Kimbers went down the road because aggressive collectors kept forcing money down my throat. The Clackamas rifles were beautifully made and equally accurate but they just couldn’t match the charisma of my somewhat bedraggled Sporter.
- Bill
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"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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That Kimber Bill struck my fancy. I got curious and took a look. They do bring some good money:
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Zeb… Kimber Super America’s are really nice… I have owned (yes, past tense) 4… two Kimber of Oregon… two Kimber of Yonkers… there are many nights I regret those choices… but the funds from those sales brought more fun toys my ways… back to the OP… why hasn’t anyone questioned operator error? Come on, I ain’t the “shot” I used to be, plus, he put a Weaver on it! That’s grounds for excommunication… more Cheese Whiz? :)….
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Ben said
Zeb… Kimber Super America’s are really nice… I have owned (yes, past tense) 4… two Kimber of Oregon… two Kimber of Yonkers… there are many nights I regret those choices… but the funds from those sales brought more fun toys my ways… back to the OP… why hasn’t anyone questioned operator error? Come on, I ain’t the “shot” I used to be, plus, he put a Weaver on it! That’s grounds for excommunication… more Cheese Whiz? :)….
O.E. really ?? You are revealing your true nature… Flimflam Artist!
When can I expect my case of Cheese Whiz to show up on my door?
Bert
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Bert H. said
Ben said
Zeb… Kimber Super America’s are really nice… I have owned (yes, past tense) 4… two Kimber of Oregon… two Kimber of Yonkers… there are many nights I regret those choices… but the funds from those sales brought more fun toys my ways… back to the OP… why hasn’t anyone questioned operator error? Come on, I ain’t the “shot” I used to be, plus, he put a Weaver on it! That’s grounds for excommunication… more Cheese Whiz? :)….
O.E. really ?? You are revealing your true nature… Flimflam Artist!
When can I expect my case of Cheese Whiz to show up on my door?
Bert
Good grief but I cannot remember the last time I had a dollop of Cheese Whiz on a cracker.
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steve004 said
Bert H. said
Ben said
Zeb… Kimber Super America’s are really nice… I have owned (yes, past tense) 4… two Kimber of Oregon… two Kimber of Yonkers… there are many nights I regret those choices… but the funds from those sales brought more fun toys my ways… back to the OP… why hasn’t anyone questioned operator error? Come on, I ain’t the “shot” I used to be, plus, he put a Weaver on it! That’s grounds for excommunication… more Cheese Whiz? :)….
O.E. really ?? You are revealing your true nature… Flimflam Artist!
When can I expect my case of Cheese Whiz to show up on my door?
Bert
Good grief but I cannot remember the last time I had a dollop of Cheese Whiz on a cracker.
I forgot to mention… add a couple bottles of Champipple with the Cheese Whiz please.
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Champipple! That brings back memories!
April 15, 2005
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Ben said
Champipple! That brings back memories!
Very easy to make your own… 1 Mason Jar of White lightning mixed with 1 gallon of Ripple.
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Blue Ridge Parson said
I have achieved truly excellent results shooting RWS 22 Win Mag ammunition in my Anschutz 54M Sporter. It will regularly shoot dime sized groups or better at 50 yards. I have even, on occasion, won a bet by breaking an aspirin tablet at 25 yards with a single shot. The Federal premium ammunition for the 22 Win Mag has aslo proven to be consistently very good.
That being said, it does not have the inherent accuracy of good target grade 22 LR ammo.
BRP
They’re out of fmj but show jsp in stock
$106.03/ 100rds shipped to my zip.
https://freelandssports.com/product/rws-22wmr-magnum-sp-box-50/
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Darrin Smith said
Blue Ridge Parson said
I have achieved truly excellent results shooting RWS 22 Win Mag ammunition in my Anschutz 54M Sporter. It will regularly shoot dime sized groups or better at 50 yards. I have even, on occasion, won a bet by breaking an aspirin tablet at 25 yards with a single shot. The Federal premium ammunition for the 22 Win Mag has aslo proven to be consistently very good.
That being said, it does not have the inherent accuracy of good target grade 22 LR ammo.
BRP
They’re out of fmj but show jsp in stock
$106.03/ 100rds shipped to my zip.
https://freelandssports.com/product/rws-22wmr-magnum-sp-box-50/
$1.06 per round is ridiculous for rim fire ammo. I can buy the Winchester Super-X 40 grain JHP for $13.49/box ($26.98 for 100-rounds or $107.92 for 400-rounds). 22wmr ammo – MidwayUSA
I will happily shoot it instead and will suffer with the 1.19″ group size.
Bert
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I don’t disagree. Was surprised to see it at any price. I was unaware of RWS in 22 mag. I have several iterations in 22 lr. Bet I’ll see it at a gun show soon.
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BRP — I am a rabid fan of the .22 Hornet and have owned several, including the Ruger #1 currently in my safe. This particular rifle has not had ample opportunity to prove itself but it seems promising.
Among all the departed, however, an Anschutz Model 1722 was the standout. It, too, was built on the Match 54 action and had a superb trigger. It was easily the most accurate and accounted for many Rio Grande gobblers and (in Brown County, where the population of G. m. Intermedia was out of control and either sex was legal in the Fall) large hens.
The only problem with the Anschutz was its rear locking action that allowed Hornet cases to stretch and would soon result in case separations if they were reloaded more than once or twice. Had I kept the rifle I would have had it rechambered to K-Hornet to give it a decent shoulder. The #1 has no such deficiency.
My point: The Hornet, in the hands of a handloader, makes the Magnum Rimfire expensive surplus.
As a matter of interest:
Ruger has, for the time being, ended production of the #1 and #77 — the customers who wanted one of each, like me, have got them. The last years of production of the #1 were sold exclusively to Cabela/Bass Pro, which had complete control of each year’s single caliber and configuration. Cabela knew how to market the #1 better than Sturm Ruger and was willing to tag them at $2K retail in order to upgrade the wood and the trimmings. Mine has Walnut I spotted 50 yards away from the display rack and turned down guns in unopened boxes in order to buy it for the Walnut. Case colored receiver and lever, stiff contour 24″ barrel but with Alex Henry forearm and ramped and quarter ribbed iron sights. Copious checkering and a red pad. It’s a show dog that can hunt. And the 77 is a 6.5 SE African style that loses the boxy look of the standard gun. Fuzz your eyes and its a Holland magazine gun.
I’m going to resist the unworthy temptation to unload these at an immoral price to Simple Simon who thinks they’re rare….
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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Many years ago, I was very strongly considering adding a Ruger #1 Hornet to my safe, but then I had my Winchester Single Shot Hornet reamed to K-hornet… the urge for the Ruger died shortly thereafter. Today, I would not pass up a Ruger #1 at a reasonable price, or a Kimber of Oregon.
For those that are curious, the current cost to reload for the Hornet is 38-cents per round (bullet, primer, & powder) as opposed to $70+ per box of 50 for Remington/Winchester/Hornady factory new ammo.
250 Hornady V-Max 40 grain bullets = $50.14 (50.14/250 = $.20 per bullet)
CCI 400 primers = $86.99 per 1,000 ($.087 per piece)
Hodgdon Lil’Gun powder = $46 per 1 lb, (7,000 grains/13.5 grains = 518 loads per pound) or $.089 per ctg.
Bert
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I never thought I d say $0.38 a round was a bargain but there is no doubt about it. If you want more bang for your buck than the 22 LR can provide, the Hornet is the least expensive next step until the market for commercial canister powders rationalizes – in this case, the number of powder manufacturers willing to tool up and enter the market, do so and increase supply enough to bring down the price.
I do wish one of the foreign powder makers would pick up and replicate SR4759. Maybe the potential.demand for it is too small and I can’t see that because I find it so useful.
I have to give Bert credit for encouraging me to buy a good supply of Lil Gun when Midway got some in. It is a powder I didn’t see as useful in the tiny quantities the Hornet case can use. But it is excellent for the caliber.
[In other news,my High Wall 38-55 should be in in next few days and the Redding dies came yesterday]
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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Personally I could never figure why any one would want a .22 magnum especially with a .22 hornet or the .22 Win. c.f. available. Any game doable with a .22 mag. was pretty much doable with a .22 l.r. Now saying that I knew fellas that went deer hunting with a .22, because it was the only gun they had. Then on the other end I knew fellas that used a .303 Enfield on jack rabbits,. I had a .22 hornet many years ago that shot many “killer” ground hogs and put many cottontails in the pot, it would still be about My favorite cartridge if I was still hunting, I would just need to find one in a lever action with a “red dot” sight on it so I could hit something.
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Henry Mero said
Personally I could never figure why any one would want a .22 magnum especially with a .22 hornet or the .22 Win. c.f. available. Any game doable with a .22 mag. was pretty much doable with a .22 l.r. Now saying that I knew fellas that went deer hunting with a .22, because it was the only gun they had. Then on the other end I knew fellas that used a .303 Enfield on jack rabbits,. I had a .22 hornet many years ago that shot many “killer” ground hogs and put many cottontails in the pot, it would still be about My favorite cartridge if I was still hunting, I would just need to find one in a lever action with a “red dot” sight on it so I could hit something.
For carrying & hunting, the Winchester Model 43 is my favorite 22 Hornet rifle. I have mine scoped with a Leupold VX-II 2×7, and with factory Remington 45-gr HP ammo, it shoots sub MOA (dime sized) groups @ 100-yds 
Bert
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I stand corrected on the Winchester ammo, Bert! I haven’t tried the later offerings sitting on my shelf and after a quick range trip I was impressed! Shot four very quick five-shot groups and the Winchester Varmint HV (30gr polymer tip V-Max @2250fps) looked good so I went back to the bench for a ten-shot group. Got in a hurry and flubbed a trigger reset and the resulting flyer ruined a nice group. I’m not the shooter Bert is, I signed in at the range office at 4:15, cleared the gate at 4:45 so I didn’t squeeze the last drop of accuracy out of the ugly little R-word pest control appliance. It doesn’t seem to have any marked preference for any of the CCI ammo I pulled off the shelf.
if it”s any consolation the 61M was never intended to be a target rifle and the one you beat Ben out of is certainly a lot easier in the eyes than my polymer and phosphate coyote club. Photos of the R-word are NOT forthcoming! Attached 50 yard target is not bragging material but it certainly shows promise.
Mike
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I have a partial box of ancient Super-X (silver paper box) but my NAA revolver is sighted in for it so I wanted to save it.😉
Mike
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TXGunNut said
I have a partial box of ancient Super-X (silver paper box) but my NAA revolver is sighted in for it so I wanted to save it.😉
Mike
Mike,
I have 2,900 rounds of the Super-X (silver paper box)… I am quite sure that I can resupply you at Cody. Shoot up that old partial box!
Bert
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