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May 23, 2009
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Well now, I do wonder how many of these “perceived errors” are actual errors and/or actual calibers chambered.
The .46 WCF is a known experimental caliber and Dan Shuey did an article on the rifle for the Fall 2018 Collector Magazine.
https://winchestercollector.org/magazines/201809/28/
The rifle is in the Cody Firearms Museum, and per Dan’s article is un-serialized. So did they make one up with a serial number? Or is this the same rifle in the records located at Cody?
Plus Dan mentions a reported .46 WCF carbine reportedly owned.
Sincerely,
Maverick
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March 31, 2009
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Maverick said
Well now, I do wonder how many of these “perceived errors” are actual errors and/or actual calibers chambered.Sincerely,
Maverick
Me too!
November 19, 2006
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Chuck said
Maverick said
Well now, I do wonder how many of these “perceived errors” are actual errors and/or actual calibers chambered.
Sincerely,
Maverick
Me too!
I’ve sometimes thought that with a known serial number of one of these oddities, a faker could make one up and voila – it would letter!
March 31, 2009
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steve004 said
Chuck said
Maverick said
Well now, I do wonder how many of these “perceived errors” are actual errors and/or actual calibers chambered.
Sincerely,
Maverick
Me too!
I’ve sometimes thought that with a known serial number of one of these oddities, a faker could make one up and voila – it would letter!
Anything is possible but the truth is the truth and some collectors like me want to know. I can only put together info that is already posted somewhere else already.
April 3, 2018
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While perusing the offerings of a Boise, ID. gunshop almost 20 years ago…a custom early 50s Model 70 interesting rifle was discovered.
It was a 35 Whelen rifle, probably rechambered and re-rifled as it had the original iron-sighted barrel. Of additional interest was the custom stock:
It looked identical to a Super Grade version. The owner said: “it should have sold earlier. If you don’t like it, bring it back. But, you won’t be returning it.”
That was an understatement. Accurate and well-balanced. A jewel of a .35 Whelen. Not an original chambering, but I still have this 35 Whelen and it is not for sale.
November 7, 2015
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I can’t blame you, sounds like a keeper. Mine’s not going anywhere, either. As I was loading some 200gr Hornady RN bullets this morning it occurred to me a M54 with a receiver sight would be pretty cool and after re-reading your post it occurred to me that a M54 or M70 that someone had “ruined” by D&T’ing for a scope might be affordable fun as funds become available. For now I’ll make due with my old 670. I hope it likes these Hornady bullets!
Mike
November 7, 2015
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Figured since I didn’t get run off for posting a pic of El Diablito Rojo I’d post a pic of his older sister.
Mike
November 7, 2015
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Loaded a few of those 200gr Hornady RN bullets over 3031 powder a few days ago. My area of Texas is on the verge of being declared a disaster area on account of this ice that won’t go away. Gainesvillle, TX looked like Lincoln, NE with the snow and ice pushed into 10′ piles on street corners. I don’t know wnen I’ll get to the range again. We have a club meeting there tomorrow with elections, could be interesting. I miss my 4X4.
Mike
November 7, 2015
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Well, the list of things I was wrong about got a little longer today. I fired the above loads in that old 670 that I thought wasn’t very accurate after the 35 Whelen conversion. I’m not a fan of five shot groups but that was about all I could handle today. The recoil wasn’t terribly vicious but it tossed the scope cover across the bench and jammed my hat brim into my forehead. Odd thing is this rifle used to need two or three fouling shots, this five shot group includes a fouling shot after a thorough cleaning. I’m looking forward to the next range trip. Sort of. 😉
Mike
January 20, 2023
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TXGunNut said
Figured since I didn’t get run off for posting a pic of El Diablito Rojo I’d post a pic of his older sister.
Mike
Dang! Where’d you get the fleur d’lis stock? That is a handsome Model 70.
Do we need a refresher on our high school physics? If you feed El Diablito thumb-size 200 grainers over a sufficiently generous slug of 3031, inertia may strain those 6-48 screws beyond endurance.
Planning for the Zombie Apocalypse or just extra large feral dogs?
I saw enough video of I-35 north of Sanger to imagine what the Red River Valley must have been like — not fitten fer man or beast.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
November 7, 2015
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Zeb-
The nice Walnut stock is a Boyd product that I felt was appropriate for the 670 barreled action that I had bored out to 35 Whelen several years ago. I got a little carried away when I ordered that stock but it often stands next to a late Super Grade in my safe so it needs to look good! That little red rifle also started out as a 670 barreled action but followed a very different path. Diablito was behaving badly yesterday, after a bit more coffee I’ll try to sort it out.
Best thing I can say about our winter storm is lawn mowing was nowhere on my to-do list. The 200gr load I used is mild compared with some of the more serious hunting loads available for the 35 Whelen. Nothing in Texas needs that much killing and I don’t believe I’ll be hunting out of state for awhile. I’ll venture towards the heavier bullets only if TP&W announces a T-Rex season and I’m able to secure a suitable lease…in other words, when pigs fly. Speaking of pigs I think this load might be fun to try on a cranky old boar. It would likely waste a bit of meat but some of those big ones aren’t fit to eat anyway.
Mike
January 20, 2023
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My nephew laid a 420 pound “Rooshian” down in 1974 with a single round of 150 grain Power Point, which is not noted for penetration according to the gun counter commandos. Nevertheless, it got through the gristle plate, liquefied the heart/lung plumbing, and was found nicely expanded in the offside hide. What’s not to like? He was left in place for the coyotes, who soon made several day’s work of him.
An old friend, a former hunting lease partner and superb game cook, preferred 60 to 90 pound shoats and could serve soups and stews made from medallions of the venison that would bring tears of joy to your eyes. He wouldn’t touch the proceeds of an old boar even if you could stand to do the butchering.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
November 7, 2015
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Well, I think I’ll put this thumper back into the safe until I get mad enough at hogs or deer to bring it out again. I think the 225gr bullet suits the cartridge better but the 200gr suits Texas critters better. On top of that I found a load this old rifle likes, I suspect this rifle with it’s three groove rebored barrel is only capable of hunting accuracy so I’m thinking I’ll call it good until a 54 or 70 comes along and insists on following me home.
Mike
Five shots at 100, I think that’s as good as I can expect.
April 15, 2005
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TXGunNut said
Well, I think I’ll put this thumper back into the safe until I get mad enough at hogs or deer to bring it out again. I think the 225gr bullet suits the cartridge better but the 200gr suits Texas critters better. On top of that I found a load this old rifle likes, I suspect this rifle with it’s three groove rebored barrel is only capable of hunting accuracy so I’m thinking I’ll call it good until a 54 or 70 comes along and insists on following me home.
Mike
Five shots at 100, I think that’s as good as I can expect.
I went the opposite direction… I loaded up a 20-round box of 30-40 Krag with 130-gr Speer JSP bullets last night. I used 46.0 grains of IMR 4064 with a Rem No. 9 1/2 primer in some old SUPER-X cases I had on hand. Need to get to the range (a 25-mile drive from the house) and see what they will do in my old high-wall rifle.
Bert
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November 7, 2015
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Bert H. said
TXGunNut said
Well, I think I’ll put this thumper back into the safe until I get mad enough at hogs or deer to bring it out again. I think the 225gr bullet suits the cartridge better but the 200gr suits Texas critters better. On top of that I found a load this old rifle likes, I suspect this rifle with it’s three groove rebored barrel is only capable of hunting accuracy so I’m thinking I’ll call it good until a 54 or 70 comes along and insists on following me home.
Mike
Five shots at 100, I think that’s as good as I can expect.
I went the opposite direction… I loaded up a 20-round box of 30-40 Krag with 130-gr Speer JSP bullets last night. I used 46.0 grains of IMR 4064 with a Rem No. 9 1/2 primer in some old SUPER-X cases I had on hand. Need to get to the range (a 25-mile drive from the house) and see what they will do in my old high-wall rifle.
Bert
Actually we both went light for caliber/cartridge and I’m very interested in your results. I have more 9 1/2 primers than I’ll be able to shoot in awhile, they seem to work well for most of my rifles. I probably have some WLR’s around but these R-words have been around awhile. As you may recall I snagged some 303 British brass for my 30-40 when the supply of correct brass was a bit spotty. My 1895 doesn’t seem to mind but has begun to talk funny and seems to prefer warm beer. I think I can live with that.
Mike
