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I am posting this in here because it has to do with, I am guessing, custom loaded ammo which is weird because if I didn’t get this from my uncle, I am not certain were I got it, it kind of fits the theme of the Model 94 I posted about, but one would not use bullets like this in a Lever gun. By all indications these were purchased as unprimed cases and custom loaded and that also was not like my uncle. Now, to get to my question, I thought 30-30’s were Lever guns and those use flat bullets as not to poke a neighboring primer. Is there other 30-30’s?
Sorry about the sideways pictures, they are upright in my folder.
Dan
Many years ago I experimented with spire-point bullets in the 30-30 cartridge. I loaded a couple of batches of 30-30s using 168-gr Sierra Game King SPBT bullets. I eventually found a load that shot moa groups @100 yards. I would load one cartridge at a time, one in the chamber and one more in the magazine, making it a “2-shot” rifle.
Bert
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The 125 grain spritzer has been a favorite for the Savage 99 in .30-30. Of course it can be used in the Winchester Model 54, Savage 340, Remington 788. Or for that matter a two shot in a Lever gun.
November 7, 2015
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On top of the pointed bullet/tubular magazine issues the powder charge listed on the label is above max for similar projectiles in the first two loading manuals I checked. As a rule most cautious reloaders will not shoot ammunition loaded by someone they don’t know. Personally I’d pull the bullets.
Mike
TXGunNut said
As a rule most cautious reloaders will not shoot ammunition loaded by someone they don’t know. Personally I’d pull the bullets.
Mike
Follow Mike’s advice. A truer word was never spoken! Pull the bullets, and then you are back to reloadable brass.
I would not shoot another person’s reloads any more than I would jump off the roof. Too much risk for too little reward. Even if the loads purported to be within the safe and prudent limits in your reloading manual, how can you know the one who reloaded them didn’t make a mistake?
BRP
The remarks on the box direct that they are to be used single shot only in the Winchester 30-30
So, not that I am going to, but you could shoot these bullets in a Model 94 Lever Gun as a single shot or maybe one in the magazine
Dan
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Deg said
So, not that I am going to, but you could shoot these bullets in a Model 94 Lever Gun as a single shot or maybe one in the magazine
No. Load listed on the box has a powder charge higher than any published load I have been able to find. I have five loading manuals in front of me and none of them list a load anywhere close to the load described on the box. I’ve given you two excellent reasons, based on decades or loading experience, NOT to fire these rounds. Do as you wish but I will again recommend you pull those bullets.
Mike
TXGunNut said
Deg said
So, not that I am going to, but you could shoot these bullets in a Model 94 Lever Gun as a single shot or maybe one in the magazine
No. Load listed on the box has a powder charge higher than any published load I have been able to find. I have five loading manuals in front of me and none of them list a load anywhere close to the load described on the box. I’ve given you two excellent reasons, based on decades or loading experience, NOT to fire these rounds. Do as you wish but I will again recommend you pull those bullets.
Mike
I agree – break them down for components.
Looking at the current Hodgdon loading tables, I see a max charge of 37gr H4895 for a 110gr bullet, and 36gr for IMR4895.
Interestingly, my 1978 Sierra manual shows a max load of 37.8gr H4895 and/or IMR4895 for a 125gr HPFN bullet. The date of my manual is coincidentally close to the date on that box. I’m guessing that’s where the reloader got the data from.
Personally, I would not put my face behind it. 🙂
John D. said
TXGunNut said
Deg said
So, not that I am going to, but you could shoot these bullets in a Model 94 Lever Gun as a single shot or maybe one in the magazine
No. Load listed on the box has a powder charge higher than any published load I have been able to find. I have five loading manuals in front of me and none of them list a load anywhere close to the load described on the box. I’ve given you two excellent reasons, based on decades or loading experience, NOT to fire these rounds. Do as you wish but I will again recommend you pull those bullets.
Mike
I agree – break them down for components.
Looking at the current Hodgdon loading tables, I see a max charge of 37gr H4895 for a 110gr bullet, and 36gr for IMR4895.
Interestingly, my 1978 Sierra manual shows a max load of 37.8gr H4895 and/or IMR4895 for a 125gr HPFN bullet. The date of my manual is coincidentally close to the date on that box. I’m guessing that’s where the reloader got the data from.
Personally, I would not put my face behind it. 🙂
I of course wouldn’t shoot the ammo either. But it is possible that the loader of this ammo cautiously worked his way up to a maximum load listed in a loading manual contemporary at the time. Fairly standard practice. And he does take the precaution to state on his loads that should be use single-shot only in the M94.
I of course wouldn’t shoot the ammo either. But it is possible that the loader of this ammo cautiously worked his way up to a maximum load listed in a loading manual contemporary at the time. Fairly standard practice. And he does take the precaution to state on his loads that should be use single-shot only in the M94.
The informative label seems from a diligent handloader but as you said, you don’t know. I’m not a betting man and would not roll those dice. I do handload pointy bullets for my 94 though, single shot for bench work or 1+1 hunting.
November 7, 2015
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I have a few older manuals, one of which lists a max load somewhat above recently published loads. And no, I won’t post them. I won’t drag out that dead horse to debate whether powders, instruments or corporate attitudes changed. We don’t know what these guns have been thru and I’ll take loads tested in a modern ballistics lab over my best SWAG any day. If you want to gamble, go to a casino, all you’ll lose is money. There most certainly is a bit of a margin for error but our old guns are one of the reasons for those margins. If you don’t take reloading safety very seriously IMHO you should not reload. Just because it hasn’t gone from together to apart yet doesn’t mean it won’t.
There are old pilots and there are bold pilots….
Mike
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