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Yet another faked Model 61 on Guns International
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Bert H. said

There are indeed several other Models that have a sizable number of intentionally faked specimens out there in market… e.g. the Models 43, 55, 64, 65, 70, and 71 just to name a few.  For all but the Model 70, I have documented dozens of intentionally altered/faked rifles.

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Did you happen to catalog who the sellers were for the fake/altered guns????  It would be VERY interesting if they were the same as those pushing some of the 61’s.

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This morning I talked to a pretty serious collector (and occasional lurker) who told me he absolutely won’t buy a high condition 61 in the gallery or smoothbore configurations. What bothers me about these 61’s is that they seem to be so difficult to detect by visual examination. Seems to me most of the other fakes can be easily spotted by an experienced eye. 

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This morning I talked to a pretty serious collector (and occasional lurker) who told me he absolutely won’t buy a high condition 61 in the gallery or smoothbore configurations. What bothers me about these 61’s is that they seem to be so difficult to detect by visual examination. Seems to me most of the other fakes can be easily spotted by an experienced eye. 

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That’s basically what I was implying.  I did not mean to imply that other models aren’t faked as well as that is certainly not the case.

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twobit said

Bert,

Did you happen to catalog who the sellers were for the fake/altered guns????  It would be VERY interesting if they were the same as those pushing some of the 61’s.

Michael  

I know who the sellers are for about 50% of the guns.  Many of them have been listed in auction houses (e.g. RIA), and they will not tell me who the consignor was.  Some of the fakes were being sold by specific dealers/sellers, and I know who they are.  That stated, I do not believe any of them are related to the Fake Model 61s you are finding.

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