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Winchester Model 90 Deluxe ??
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 Did Winchester make a straight grip model 1890 deluxe? or semi deluxe? non checkered. Nickled receiver. My friend let me know of one for sale and I want to know as much information as I can before I see it. Its a third model made in 1911. Fore end wood has 4 grove,two groves at each end. I will get pictures and post when I see it. 

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Well I had  chance to preview the 1890. First impression was it was nice on the eyes. Once in my hands it fell flat, wood was to nice. Seller stated he wanted 12 I figure $1200 is a bit high for a 3rd model missing original wood, then I realize he meant $12k. he proceeds to show me pictures of similar model 90’s with the same wood as his. I point out that the nickle coating has nice age and wear in the normal areas but the wood has none. He states wood must have been refinished. I take another close look and no dents no nothing even if refinished there would be a witness mark somewhere. Serial number falls in the no records range. How do you tell if it was originally nickel plated ? It did have the V notch loading tube and shot 22 short. Will the stock be numbered to the gun ?  Will the lower tang be stamped with an X for fancy wood ? Any ideas on this gun ?  Sorry I couldn’t get pictures. The gentleman wasn’t to happy when I started to question his gun.

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12k is lala land.i bought a nickle plated third model straight grip 90 about 10 years ago for $600.i would say its worth about $1500 now.pistol grip deluxes are hard to find but most high end auctions sell them for less than $5000.

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Update guy took off butt plate and guns serial number was there along with the model number. That seems to tell me stock is original to gun. Is 12 thousand still to much?? It is in nice condition. I haven’t found any examples of this type that have sold so I have no price point to go by. I wouldn’t mind giving 2g for it but I don’t want to insult him 

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You want to look at the age of the unfinished wood under the butt plate and the quality of the inletting to make sure its the original wood. They can make new wood and stamp the assembly numbers on it.

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model 1890 usually have a assembly number not the serial number under the buttplate.

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That is true of all Winchester that I have seen. If it has the serial number stamped inside I would  be suspicious.

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This Gun is on Gun Broker. I went and looked at it and like I said wood is perfect for being 104 years old. I still put a bid even though I know its not legit. His expectations are so high I don’t think he’ll get close to his reserve. Check it out and let me know what you think.

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Its listed as 

Winchester 1890 Factory Nickel

 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=484915071

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Wood has definitely been refinished at the minimum but I don’t like the serial number stamped in the wood. It should be a assemble number. The metal looks good.

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Auction almost over and not much interest. I would love to get this for a shooter. Time will tell

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He could only get up to $2800 

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can I tag onto this post with a question? I recently was given a 1890 3rd model ……by the serial number on the tang. But my receiver Has no number on it at all. Does that mean it has been replaced at some point? Thank you for any help!

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It certainly suggests that the front end of the rifle is not factory original to the rear half.

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OK, thanks for your reply. I couldn’t find anything on the net that said specifically that all 1890’s had 2 serial numbers stamped on them so being a “Newbie” to guns I was curious.

 So I’m guessing replacements were sold By Winchester with no ID stamped on them, it looks pristine where the number should be.

Thanks again for your help!

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Too bad the wood has been refinished, and a little oversanded at the tang, too shiny.  I havent looked under the buttplate on many 1890’s but on the 1892 and 1894’s, as Bob said, they usually have a model stamp “94” (but not always) and then 3-4 assembly numbers that do NOT match the serial number.  The pattern these were applied appear to be a little randomly placed.  Its not that hard to get them semi-straight and not jumbled.   Also, whoever stamped this one used a little too much force as you can see the imprint of the die face, plus they used the wrong die set. 

Here are a few examples from an 1894, 1892, and 1894 again.  The same assembly numbers also appear on the lower tang and stamped on the inside toe of the buttplate.guns-8-30-2010-140.JPGImage EnlargerDSC06161.JPGImage EnlargerDSC00416.JPGImage Enlarger

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