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Well, I finally went to look at this model 75 sporter again and took some photos this time.  It is the model with the Lyman 57E rear peep sight.  However, this sight has a different adjustment knob than most I’ve seen.  This one is rounded with a slot rather than a turret type knob.  Would this be the correct one?  It is market “LYMAN 57ES” as well.  I even talked the seller to remove the sight to inspect the holes and the cut-out on the stock.  You rimfire experts please let me know your opinions regarding originality.  I got the seller down to $950 which I think is a great buy if it is in its original configuration.  It has some nicely figured wood as well.  Seller is only 15 minutes away from my house so I’ll go buy it tomorrow if it is factory original and correct. The magazine is an aftermarket and is marked with a “W”.  Serial number is also scribed on the bolt and matches the serial number on the rifle. DOM is 1951.

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Too bad JWA is on hiatus, apparently, or he could tell you for sure.  The 57E with target knobs is certainly the most common Sporter sight, but Winchester offered so many sight options that I wouldn’t rule this one out as a possible factory option.  Finish on the sight inletting looks right to me.  The Williams slot filler seems odd, as in the past Winchester used Lyman blanks, but maybe by ’51 this was correct. 

The mag is a Wisner’s–works as well as an original.

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That appears to be a very nice 75 Sporter and the gook under sight shows it has been on the rifle for a LONG time.  The “original” magazines are not that hard to come by, unless you want one ‘right now’.  Congratulations on a nice find.  RDB

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That appears to be a very nice 75 Sporter and the gook under sight shows it has been on the rifle for a LONG time.  The “original” magazines are not that hard to come by, unless you want one ‘right now’.  Congratulations on a nice find.  RDB

  

Hi Roger,

I haven’t committed to buying the gun yet.  I visited the seller and took photos to relay to the experts on the forum before purchasing. The sight mounting holes look very clean and professionally done so I’m leaning toward factory original but am waiting for JWA’s assessment.  The Lyman “57 ES” marked sight is a little different style, particularly the adjusting knob, from what I’ve seen on other 75 Sporters.

This one on GI has the Lyman 57 I am used to seeing:

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/detail.cfm?gun_id=101589131

Don

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The Lyman “57 ES” marked sight is a little different style, particularly the adjusting knob, from what I’ve seen on other 75 Sporters.

  

Lyman called these “Stayset” knobs, available post-war as a no-cost option on many rcvr sights.  Would be out of place on the standard target 75s, but not the Sporting Model. 

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clarence said

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The Lyman “57 ES” marked sight is a little different style, particularly the adjusting knob, from what I’ve seen on other 75 Sporters.

  

Lyman called these “Stayset” knobs, available post-war as a no-cost option on many rcvr sights.  Would be out of place on the standard target 75s, but not the Sporting Model. 

  

Thanks Clarence. That’s good to know to know. Being a 1951 DOM, it fits the timeframe perfectly. See any non-factory issues other than the aftermarket magazine (which isn’t a big deal at alI)?  Wondering if I should just go buy it tomorrow.  Would you?

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deerhunter said

clarence said

deerhunter said

The Lyman “57 ES” marked sight is a little different style, particularly the adjusting knob, from what I’ve seen on other 75 Sporters.

  

Lyman called these “Stayset” knobs, available post-war as a no-cost option on many rcvr sights.  Would be out of place on the standard target 75s, but not the Sporting Model. 

  

Thanks Clarence. That’s good to know to know. Being a 1951 DOM, it fits the timeframe perfectly. See any non-factory issues other than the aftermarket magazine and Williams sight blank (which isn’t a big deal at alI)?  Wondering if I should just go buy it tomorrow.  Would you?

  

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deerhunter said   Wondering if I should just go buy it tomorrow.  Would you?

  

Best I can say, it looks right to me–but I’ve never owned a 75!  I have good reference materials on pre-war guns, but not as much on post-war models.  I’d say wait awhile to hear JWA’s verdict, but sometimes he’s incommunicado for extended periods when away on foreign jobs.  Even if the sight is questionable, it wouldn’t be hard to replace it with the target knob version.  Surprised Larry hasn’t ventured an opinion–he’s owned a couple, I think. 

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Hi Clarence,

Don’t know why I didn’t think to look in Stroebel’s Old Gunsights book before now, but here’s what I found (attached).  This rifle was made in 1951 which coincides perfectly with what Stroebel is saying regarding the “Stayset knobs.” I think this model 75 sporter is righteous in every way except for the aftermarket magazine and possibly the sight blank, but those can easily be sourced and corrected.  I think I’m going to contact the seller and finalize a deal.  Thanks for all your help.

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Don,

That seems like a great price for that gun if you are looking to add a nice 22 that you can scope easily to your collection. I had a 75 Sporter last year, mainly for table stock and sold it at the Colorado collectors show for $1250. It was a 1942 with slightly less condition than the one you are looking at. The only real bluing loss was the floorplate area, as I recall. 

I don’t have too many bolt actions but the ones I have are set up with vintage period scopes. I really enjoy pairing them up with something from the time period. Something to think about to add a little more fun to the project. 

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Don,

That seems like a great price for that gun if you are looking to add a nice 22 that you can scope easily to your collection. I had a 75 Sporter last year, mainly for table stock and sold it at the Colorado collectors show for $1250. It was a 1942 with slightly less condition than the one you are looking at. The only real bluing loss was the floorplate area, as I recall. 

I don’t have too many bolt actions but the ones I have are set up with vintage period scopes. I really enjoy pairing them up with something from the time period. Something to think about to add a little more fun to the project. 

  

Thanks Gary. This one has no bluing loss on the floor-plate either. It’s nearly new condition. I think I’m going to go ahead and buy it.

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I don’t have too many bolt actions but the ones I have are set up with vintage period scopes. I really enjoy pairing them up with something from the time period. Something to think about to add a little more fun to the project. 

  

The No. 8 scope was intended to be paired with the 75, & pre-war 75 brls, both Target & Sporting, were drilled for scope blocks.  But when production resumed after the war, only the Target model continued to be D&T.  So it won’t be so easy to scope this Sporting Model without resorting to the drill-press, unless a Stith mount could be found; lots of old ones on ebay for 54s & 70s & certain other popular models, but not 75s.  If anybody could locate one, it would be JWA.

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Thanks Gary. This one has no blushing loss on the floor-plate either. It’s nearly new condition. I think I’m going to go ahead and buy it.

  

By the way, looks like a period M1907 sling, which–depending on how it’s marked–could be worth $100 or more.  Even if it’s not marked at all, it’s a highly desirable accessory. 

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Nice rifle, Don. I think you’ll be happy with it. 

 

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Thanks Gary. This one has no blushing loss on the floor-plate either. It’s nearly new condition. I think I’m going to go ahead and buy it.

  

By the way, looks like a period M1907 sling, which–depending on how it’s marked–could be worth $100 or more.  Even if it’s not marked at all, it’s a highly desirable accessory. 

  

The sling is very nice and is marked BOYT.

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I don’t have too many bolt actions but the ones I have are set up with vintage period scopes. I really enjoy pairing them up with something from the time period. Something to think about to add a little more fun to the project. 

  

The No. 8 scope was intended to be paired with the 75, & pre-war 75 brls, both Target & Sporting, were drilled for scope blocks.  But when production resumed after the war, only the Target model continued to be D&T.  So it won’t be so easy to scope this Sporting Model without resorting to the drill-press, unless a Stith mount could be found; lots of old ones on ebay for 54s & 70s & certain other popular models, but not 75s.  If anybody could locate one, it would be JWA.

  

That’s a good point and the Stith mount would be very interesting to add, but maybe tough to find in the right condition for this fine rifle. Probably best to leave this one alone and use the great sight package it came with. 

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The sling is very nice and is marked BOYT.

  

Definitely a $100 sling, made by one of the best makers.  New ones made in this country sell for more than that. 

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pdog72 said

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pdog72 said

I don’t have too many bolt actions but the ones I have are set up with vintage period scopes. I really enjoy pairing them up with something from the time period. Something to think about to add a little more fun to the project. 

  

The No. 8 scope was intended to be paired with the 75, & pre-war 75 brls, both Target & Sporting, were drilled for scope blocks.  But when production resumed after the war, only the Target model continued to be D&T.  So it won’t be so easy to scope this Sporting Model without resorting to the drill-press, unless a Stith mount could be found; lots of old ones on ebay for 54s & 70s & certain other popular models, but not 75s.  If anybody could locate one, it would be JWA.

  

That’s a good point and the Stith mount would be very interesting to add, but maybe tough to find in the right condition for this fine rifle. Probably best to leave this one alone and use the great sight package it came with. 

  

I agree, Gary. My Sporter has the more desireable grooved receiver but I have a serious weakness for receiver sights and I really like the Lyman 57.

 

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Mike, get a JTSS. Best of both worlds.  Big Larry69-jr-target.JPGImage Enlarger

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Contacted the seller and worked out a $950 price and it’s mine now!  Here’s some better photos.  Thanks everyone for the help and opinions.

 

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