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February 6, 2010
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Did both models have WMR calibers?? Was going to look for one but if they are really rare not so sure I can afford one.
Steve
April 15, 2005
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The Model 62A was not commercially made for the 22 WMR cartridge (Winchester discontinued that Model in the year 1959, just before Winchester first put the 22 WMR cartridge on the market). There might have been an “experimental” rifle or two made for it when Winchester was developing the 22 WMR cartridge.
Bert
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February 6, 2010
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So was the 61 made in WMR and if so was it rare ?
June 1, 2023
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The Model 61 was indeed made in .22 Win Mag, and since it was only produced in that caliber quite late in production, they are much less common than those chambered in .22 S. L. & LR. I wouldn’t call them rare, but less common for sure.
BRP
April 15, 2005
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Definitely not rare. Winchester manufactured a pile of them in the late production years.
Bert
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July 3, 2020
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While the Win 61’s in 22 mag may not be “rare”… they are very desirable. As such, I’ve found prices run typically double a standard .22 lr. in comparable condition… this is my own personal observation, your mileage may vary. 😛
February 6, 2010
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Did they make them in WRF also ? I just saw a pic of one on armslist that had a barrel stamping of 61-WRF
June 1, 2023
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The early pre-war (and briefly post-war) Model 61 was chambered in .22WRF.
BRP
January 20, 2023
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The OP had asked whether the Winchester Model 62 was ever made in .22 WMR caliber. This is a peripheral point to the discussion but Amadeo Rossi, S.A. of Brazil once made a pretty good copy of the original Model 62 that was imported here by Interarms. It was available in .22 WMR as well as the original .22 S/L/LR chambering. The standard and the magnum were available in blue or nickel finishes and the standard could be had in a 16″ barrel as well as the normal 23″ length.
Rossi was eventually acquired by the other Brazilian manufacturer, Taurus Armas S.A., that continued making the same Model 62 copy for American import until about 2007.
I once shopped for one of these little ersatz top ejectors enough to have an opinion: The ones I saw and handled were quite accurate reproductions, mechanically. and Ken Warner, a late former editor of Gun Digest tested one and reported it functioned reliably. However, their fit and finish quality would never allow anybody to confuse them with a Winchester original.
When I first saw a 16″ nickel specimen on a dealer’s rack, a .22 S/L/LR model, it looked really appealing and I asked for a closer look. In a couple of minutes I handed it back.
If I live long enough to get bored with my 1949 vintage (reblued) Model 62A
, I’ll have the receiver and magazine tube nickel plated.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
November 7, 2015
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Ben said
While the Win 61’s in 22 mag may not be “rare”… they are very desirable. As such, I’ve found prices run typically double a standard .22 lr. in comparable condition… this is my own personal observation, your mileage may vary. 😛
I understand they were very popular 60 years ago. I’ve heard or read that following the introduction of the WMR in 1960 approximately half of the 61’s were made in that chambering. I can’t recall if I’ve seen documentation of that mix ratio but it’s supported by the guns I see at shows. I sold a very nice 1960 vintage WMR recently and the chambering certainly made it easier to sell.
Mike
January 20, 2023
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The M61 magnums are money in the bank as collectibles but it takes a rich man to shoot one a lot. The 22 Hornet for mine and the long rifle M61 for squirrels. The one rat I shot with a WMR departed this World as vapor.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
November 7, 2015
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Zebulon said
The M61 magnums are money in the bank as collectibles but it takes a rich man to shoot one a lot. The 22 Hornet for mine and the long rifle M61 for squirrels. The one rat I shot with a WMR departed this World as vapor.
Yep, no such thing as cheap WMR plinking ammo. I laid in a modest supply awhile back after a temporary shortage but I only have a couple of firearms so chambered these days. It’s an impressive little cartridge with loadings built around some very good bullets. I’ve found the rule about different rifles liking different ammo is especially true for rifles in WMR. None seem to be especially accurate but some are dramatically better than others.
Mike
January 20, 2023
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John Barsness delved into the WMR accuracy question in a HANDLOADER article sometime back. I don’t recall his conclusions why accuracy was so variable even between rifles of the same model (e.g. the 9422) but an unnamed ammunition industry executive said magic was involved.
The only specimen I have is an old Kimber of Oregon 82B that shoots a lot better than I can. Of course it’s scoped. Decades ago, several Rio Grande turkeys fell to the 50 grain load once produced by either Federal or CCI, I think the latter.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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TXGunNut said
I understand they were very popular 60 years ago. I’ve heard or read that following the introduction of the WMR in 1960 approximately half of the 61’s were made in that chambering. I can’t recall if I’ve seen documentation of that mix ratio but it’s supported by the guns I see at shows. I sold a very nice 1960 vintage WMR recently and the chambering certainly made it easier to sell.
Mike
Based on the data I have collected in my survey of the Model 61 rifles 67% of the total production were chambered for .22 Mag after their introduction in 1960 through the end of 1963. Total production of this variation is around 43,750 rifles.
Michael
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February 6, 2010
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Ok let’s go another direction here. Was the 62 ever made in WRF? Also from a collector standpoint is the 61 or 62 any more desirable than the other?
I think I am getting confused with the two models. What is the major difference between them. They appear to be made around the same time period. Was one made earlier that the other?
April 15, 2005
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Zebulon said
John Barsness delved into the WMR accuracy question in a HANDLOADER article sometime back. I don’t recall his conclusions why accuracy was so variable even between rifles of the same model (e.g. the 9422) but an unnamed ammunition industry executive said magic was involved.
The only specimen I have is an old Kimber of Oregon 82B that shoots a lot better than I can. Of course it’s scoped. Decades ago, several Rio Grande turkeys fell to the 50 grain load once produced by either Federal or CCI, I think the latter.
Interestingly, the accuracy of the 22 WMR is extremely good in my Kel Tec PMR-30, but it is horrible in my Ruger Single Six convertible.
Kel Tec PMR-30 Review | [December Updated] (thegunzone.com)
Bert
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slk said
Ok let’s go another direction here. Was the 62 ever made in WRF? Also from a collector standpoint is the 61 or 62 any more desirable than the other?
I think I am getting confused with the two models. What is the major difference between them. They appear to be made around the same time period. Was one made earlier that the other?
Yes, a small number of them were made in 22 WRF.
The Model 61 rifles typically bring more $$$$ than a comparable Model 62/62A. When you consider the fact that Winchester manufactured a greater number of the 62/62As, and that it was simply an improved Model 1890/1906, the Model 61 shines a bit brighter.
Bert
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January 20, 2023
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Bert H. said
slk said
Ok let’s go another direction here. Was the 62 ever made in WRF? Also from a collector standpoint is the 61 or 62 any more desirable than the other?
I think I am getting confused with the two models. What is the major difference between them. They appear to be made around the same time period. Was one made earlier that the other?
Yes, a small number of them were made in 22 WRF.
The Model 61 rifles typically bring more $$$$ than a comparable Model 62/62A. When you consider the fact that Winchester manufactured a greater number of the 62/62As, and that it was simply an improved Model 1890/1906, the Model 61 shines a bit brighter.
Bert
Wow! Always something new to learn. My Dad bought a “Model 90” in WRF, although he always called it a “22 Special”. Got it from a small Louisiana hardware store during the Depression. Sold it when he volunteered for the AAC in WWII. I’d always told him my Model 62 was never chambered for the “Special” and now I find out was wrong?? Bert, were those Special Order guns?
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
April 15, 2005
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Zebulon said
Bert H. said
slk said
Ok let’s go another direction here. Was the 62 ever made in WRF? Also from a collector standpoint is the 61 or 62 any more desirable than the other?
I think I am getting confused with the two models. What is the major difference between them. They appear to be made around the same time period. Was one made earlier that the other?
Yes, a small number of them were made in 22 WRF.
The Model 61 rifles typically bring more $$$$ than a comparable Model 62/62A. When you consider the fact that Winchester manufactured a greater number of the 62/62As, and that it was simply an improved Model 1890/1906, the Model 61 shines a bit brighter.
Bert
Wow! Always something new to learn. My Dad bought a “Model 90” in WRF, although he always called it a “22 Special”. Got it from a small Louisiana hardware store during the Depression. Sold it when he volunteered for the AAC in WWII. I’d always told him my Model 62 was never chambered for the “Special” and now I find out was wrong?? Bert, were those Special Order guns?
Bill et al,
I need to apologize and retract my previous statement. Apparently, Winchester did not manufacture any Model 62/62A rifles in 22 WRF. For some reason I thought that I had read that a small number were made possibly as experimental rifles. The Model 61 has the distinction of being the only Winchester Slide-action rifle that was offered in all of the various standard .22 rim fire cartridges, e.g. 22 Short, 22 Long, 22 Long Rifle, 22 WRF (22 Special), and 22 WMR.
Bert
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March 14, 2022
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Picked up this model 61 magnum yesterday on the bottom. I initially gave some consideration to the WMRF stamped 61 magnums but, after talking to another WACA member here, he explained collectors will pay more for those rifles but he didn’t really see anything special about it. Almost like the collectors who collect Model 61’s that have the Model and caliber designation in different positions on the barrel and just didn’t see any added value but each to their own I guess.
Rick C
