Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Winchester 61 Smoothbore - Real or Fake?
Avatar
Cole Vejraska
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 10
Member Since:
November 27, 2018
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
October 17, 2025 - 5:28 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Hello! Not many pictures on this listing, overall condition looks good, but it hasn’t appreciated in price much…I feel like I notice a couple of things that make me wonder if there has been some alterations? Just trying to learn a bit more about the Smoothbore offerings. Thanks!

 

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1128509563

Avatar
steve004
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5759
Member Since:
November 19, 2006
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
2
October 17, 2025 - 11:53 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

I don’t have great knowledge about these but several here do.  I suspect they’ll be along.

What does strike me favorably about potential legitimacy is that it doesn’t include the, “original box” and it’s not in flat new condition.  

You mentioned it hasn’t, “appreciated in price much.”  As this is an auction, many of the most interested bidders are not going to jump in until just before the auction ends.  Auctions can really explode at the end.  

Avatar
twobit
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2724
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
October 17, 2025 - 10:53 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Cole Vejraska said
Hello! Not many pictures on this listing, overall condition looks good, but it hasn’t appreciated in price much…I feel like I notice a couple of things that make me wonder if there has been some alterations? Just trying to learn a bit more about the Smoothbore offerings. Thanks!
 
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1128509563
  

Hello Cole,

In my survey of the Model 61 rifles this one falls in a small group of identical counter bore shot only rifles.  I don’t see anything obvious that looks suspicious.

Michael

Screenshot-2025-10-17-at-5.51.13 PM.png

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Avatar
Cole Vejraska
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 10
Member Since:
November 27, 2018
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
October 18, 2025 - 12:36 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Thank you for that information! The survey information would be a pretty firm confirmation to its originality in my opinion…again, I don’t know a lot. Maybe just the picture? But something about the “for shot only” barrel marking looks off is the main thing that I see. I also didn’t know if a grooved receiver was a standard? Appreciate the insight from both of you, thanks! 

Avatar
twobit
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2724
Member Since:
March 20, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
October 18, 2025 - 12:41 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Cole Vejraska said
Thank you for that information! The survey information would be a pretty firm confirmation to its originality in my opinion…again, I don’t know a lot. Maybe just the picture? But something about the “for shot only” barrel marking looks off is the main thing that I see. I also didn’t know if a grooved receiver was a standard? Appreciate the insight from both of you, thanks! 
  

The Model 61 receiver top began to be grooved right around SN 215000 during 1954.  Obviously that feature doesn’t make sense for shat is basically a very small bore shotgun but ALL receiver were grooved for scope mounts regardless of what barrel was attached to them.

Michael

Signature-Pic.jpg

 

Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 21294
Currently Online: Maverick, JWA, antler1, Bill Jokela, Anthony, btbell, 86Win, markone1966, Steven Gabrielli, Clayton Uthoff, Hotchkiss10, Cracker
Guest(s) 185
Top Posters:
TXGunNut: 7526
clarence: 7119
Chuck: 6813
steve004: 5759
1873man: 4962
deerhunter: 3022
twobit: 2724
Big Larry: 2578
mrcvs: 2500
Zebulon: 2243
Newest Members:
PLopezxx02
fjbradford1
KYMason
Harleymtnman
CecilRM03
Rd1953
haksaeng
Umar
Nickhart12
Ace Larsen
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 18
Topics: 16113
Posts: 147343

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 2057
Members: 10885
Moderators: 3
Admins: 4
Administrators: Mike Hager, Bert H., JWA, SethJ
Moderators: Rob Kassab, Brad Dunbar, Heather
Navigation