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July 3, 2020
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/168720892339
So, I’m curious if anyone here can shed some light on these 61 & 62 banners? I bought a pair of them about 15 years ago at the Tulsa show as “reproductions”… $40. for the pair… they look fine and hang in my basement. The ones now being sold on ebay are called “vintage”. Several sets have been sold with “buy it now” prices at $350. per set. A few sets have sold for higher prices… I sent the seller a message asking if they were in fact, factory Winchester made or the Key’s reproductions… the response came back “They have been purchased and inspected by the 5 top Winchester collectors in the US and everyone has said they are New old stock”. There’s a whole lot of “room” in that statement….ie: New Old Stock repro’s? Anyone here one of the “top 5” collectors? I’m open to being enlightened… 🙂
July 17, 2012
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I have been watching those sell the past couple of years and wondering the same thing. They look like the repros from all of the photos I have seen.
I am sad to learn that I am not one of the “top 5 Winchester .22 collectors”, I am going to have to step up my game….. 😉
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
July 3, 2020
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Jeff… If you step up any more you will run over Elliot! I would like to see a close up pic of the printing to make a better assessment myself. Cheers…
July 8, 2012
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I have one of each also but don’t know if mine are real or repos. I bought them years ago at an OGCA show because I liked them. Ned Schwing has pictures of each in his Model 61, and 62 books, and says they measure 21-1/8 inches x 5-1/8 inches. What would be the best way of authenticating these?
January 8, 2025
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This reminds me of the thread about original vs reproduction factory tags. That printing looks really modern to me. I think they’re worth $40. If no one here can say they verified them. The seller is a liar.
February 2, 2010
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My first time responding to a thread on this forum. My fiance Jo and I own four of these original banners. We own two model 61, one model 62 and one Super W Speed banners and have displayed them with our gun collections at Cody recently. These banners were made in 1932 to advertise these products. If you had original banners and repro banners side by side the repros would jump out as too bright because of the enhanced brighteners and dyes used in modern post war papers. Also, most original banners will have been folded once or twice when they were mailed. Inspect the paper for wrinkles, dirt on the paper and folded corners or small tears. After all these banners are 94 years old and were meant to be thrown away.
May 14, 2025
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Bill Jokela said
My first time responding to a thread on this forum. My fiance Jo and I own four of these original banners. We own two model 61, one model 62 and one Super W Speed banners and have displayed them with our gun collections at Cody recently. These banners were made in 1932 to advertise these products. If you had original banners and repro banners side by side the repros would jump out as too bright because of the enhanced brighteners and dyes used in modern post war papers. Also, most original banners will have been folded once or twice when they were mailed. Inspect the paper for wrinkles, dirt on the paper and folded corners or small tears. After all these banners are 94 years old and were meant to be thrown away.
I agree with Bill. These are too bright and too clean to be 94 years old! eBay has a lot of scammers who create fake “vintage” items to rip off collectors. Sadly, I learned the hard way and got taken a couple times!
March 14, 2022
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Bill Jokela said
My first time responding to a thread on this forum. My fiance Jo and I own four of these original banners. We own two model 61, one model 62 and one Super W Speed banners and have displayed them with our gun collections at Cody recently. These banners were made in 1932 to advertise these products. If you had original banners and repro banners side by side the repros would jump out as too bright because of the enhanced brighteners and dyes used in modern post war papers. Also, most original banners will have been folded once or twice when they were mailed. Inspect the paper for wrinkles, dirt on the paper and folded corners or small tears. After all these banners are 94 years old and were meant to be thrown away.
Hi Bill, thanks for your first post. Can you advise if your original banners show the model number partially covered up the same as the ones here we’re discussing from eBay? The 61 is only slightly covered at the bottom but, the 62 a lot more and I wouldn’t think they would do that 🤷🏼♂️
Rick C
February 2, 2010
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Rick C. The first time that I saw either of these banners my thoughts were why would Winchester partially cover up the model number or the Winchester name. I guess the focal point was the product. I looked at the eBay banners, and they are identical to the originals except for the brightness and the folds.
March 14, 2022
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Bill Jokela said
Rick C. The first time that I saw either of these banners my thoughts were why would Winchester partially cover up the model number or the Winchester name. I guess the focal point was the product. I looked at the eBay banners, and they are identical to the originals except for the brightness and the folds.
Well that answers that and I agree 100% with your comments and observations in your first post. Thanks for the reply Bill.
Rick C
July 8, 2012
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Rick C said
Bill Jokela said
My first time responding to a thread on this forum. My fiance Jo and I own four of these original banners. We own two model 61, one model 62 and one Super W Speed banners and have displayed them with our gun collections at Cody recently. These banners were made in 1932 to advertise these products. If you had original banners and repro banners side by side the repros would jump out as too bright because of the enhanced brighteners and dyes used in modern post war papers. Also, most original banners will have been folded once or twice when they were mailed. Inspect the paper for wrinkles, dirt on the paper and folded corners or small tears. After all these banners are 94 years old and were meant to be thrown away.
Hi Bill, thanks for your first post. Can you advise if your original banners show the model number partially covered up the same as the ones here we’re discussing from eBay? The 61 is only slightly covered at the bottom but, the 62 a lot more and I wouldn’t think they would do that 🤷🏼♂️
Bill,
My two posters have folds, the colors are bright, and the dimensions match exactly what Schwing illustrates. By any chance can you post a couple of pictures of yours?
Thanks,
Al
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