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Restored Model 61 at Montrose Sept 2019 #1272
September 23, 2019
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Hello all,

This is the third time I have seen this rifle.  The first time was at RIA in Feb of 2018 as Lot 2949.  It was a standard rifle back then.  Then it showed up at Montrose in Mar of 2018 as Lot 284.  Now it is at Montrose again in Sept 2019 as Lot 1272 and has been "restored to factory new condition" and the barrel has been switched to an octagon LR only configuration!

So I guess the question is "Did Montrose do the "restoration" or the consignor???"

At RIA Feb 2018:

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At Montrose Mar 2018:

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At Montrose Sept 2019:

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September 23, 2019
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Michael,

Thanks for the great investigative work. Makes me question every "pristine" model 61.

Al

September 23, 2019
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tionesta1 said
Michael,

Thanks for the great investigative work. Makes me question every "pristine" model 61.

Al  

It is depressing to say the least!!

Michael

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September 23, 2019
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Weren't we just discussing a military marked gun from this same seller?

September 23, 2019
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Montrose auction clearly (and honestly) stated that the rifle is "Professionally restored".  Accordingly, there was no attempt to deceive anyone about the pedigree of that rifle, or a reason to label it as a "Fake".  I have edited the title of this topic accordingly.  I strongly urge all of you to more carefully read the auction descriptions, and too not be so quick to pass judgment.

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Chuck said
Weren't we just discussing a military marked gun from this same seller?  

Yes, and the Model 1894 in question is legitimate.

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Bert H. said
Montrose auction clearly (and honestly) stated that the rifle is "Professionally restored".  Accordingly, there was no attempt to deceive anyone about the pedigree of that rifle, or a reason to label it as a "Fake".  I have edited the title of this topic accordingly.  I strongly urge all of you to more carefully read the auction descriptions, and too not be so quick to pass judgment.

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Bert,

I fully realize the description list the gun as restored.  My rub is the "factory new" portion and the fact that they do not point out the fact that the barrel is NOT correct for the rifle.

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Bert H. said

Yes, and the Model 1894 in question is legitimate.

Bert  

I didn't say there was a problem with the 94.  I just said it was weird that there were no pictures of the military marks.  I am no expert on these guns.  Their descriptions are not helping their cause.

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twobit said

Bert,

I fully realize the description list the gun as restored.  My rub is the "factory new" portion and the fact that they do not point out the fact that the barrel is NOT correct for the rifle.

Michael  

There's a huge difference between restored and upgraded with different parts to make it more valuable. The description should have read "Professionally restored with a completely different barrel configuration than it left the factory with", then I might have been satisfied. And yes Michael, its depressing.

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