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Pretty nice M1890 .22 short on auction
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October 1, 2023 - 11:47 pm
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1009609250

There’s a lot of positives with this one.

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October 1, 2023 - 11:55 pm
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steve004 said
There’s a lot of positives with this one. 

The cost won’t be one of them.

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October 2, 2023 - 12:18 am
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They don’t come much nicer than that. It must have sat in the back of a nice dark closet for most of its life.

I would love to have it, but it’s way out of my price range.

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October 2, 2023 - 2:11 am
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As nice as it is, the bore is not. 22 shorts must have taken their toll on many fine Winchesters. Both my M1906’s in 22 short have bad bores. My 1907 vintage M1890 in 22 Long has a bore looking like a stovepipe, so I guess they weren’t any better.  Big Larry

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October 2, 2023 - 12:22 pm
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I have the same gun but in better condition, better case colors and mint bore. Paid $4500 about 15 years ago. Sorry I can’t post pictures here. But a link to pictures below. 

https://www.coltforum.com/threads/winchester-case-colored-1890-22-short-high-condition-from-1895.56518/#post-400303

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October 2, 2023 - 1:26 pm
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Stunning rifle cjs57!

A high condition first model (and I suppose early cc’d second model) are missing from my 1890 lineup. 

Here’s a couple pics of the above mentioned rifle:
https://i.postimg.cc/qNVRR30Q/IMG-6684.jpgImage Enlarger
https://i.postimg.cc/hXLG7ttn/IMG-6683.jpgImage Enlarger
https://i.postimg.cc/Y4tCNBvW/IMG-6682.jpgImage Enlarger

I’m guessing the rifle in the OP’s link will go considerably higher than it currently is priced at. 

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cjs57 said
I have the same gun but in better condition, better case colors and mint bore. Paid $4500 about 15 years ago. Sorry I can’t post pictures here. But a link to pictures below. 

https://www.coltforum.com/threads/winchester-case-colored-1890-22-short-high-condition-from-1895.56518/#post-400303

  

That is a beautiful rifle you have there.  How is the bore on it?

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October 2, 2023 - 5:24 pm
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Bore is mirror bright like new.

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cjs57 said
Bore is mirror bright like new.

  

Cool

As Larry suggests, that’s quite the rarity in itself.

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steve004 said

As Larry suggests, that’s quite the rarity in itself. 

A rarity, yes, but on a gun I never intend to shoot, I wouldn’t much care; or care enough to pay a significant premium. 

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clarence said

steve004 said

As Larry suggests, that’s quite the rarity in itself. 

A rarity, yes, but on a gun I never intend to shoot, I wouldn’t much care; or care enough to pay a significant premium. 

  

Never, never, buy a gun you have to make excuses for. Like I stated, I have 3 out of 185 guns with bad bores, but I didn’t pay $4,000 for one either, and I doubt you have any $4,000 guns with bad bores. Big Larry

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clarence said

steve004 said

As Larry suggests, that’s quite the rarity in itself. 

A rarity, yes, but on a gun I never intend to shoot, I wouldn’t much care; or care enough to pay a significant premium. 

  

I understand the never shoot it aspect, but still, on a rifle like that (in my book) a high condition bore takes it to the next level.

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Sold for $4926 plus $40 shipping.  And then there’s the sales tax, if applicable.

I have always felt that there’s WAY too much emphasis on bore condition when it comes to antique Winchesters.  This being a firearm you will rarely, if ever, shoot.

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Sold for $4926 plus $40 shipping.  And then there’s the sales tax, if applicable.

I have always felt that there’s WAY too much emphasis on bore condition when it comes to antique Winchesters.  This being a firearm you will rarely, if ever, shoot.

  

Shooting has nothing to do with it. It’s all about total condition. Most collectors do not take a 98% collectible out to the woods squirrel hunting.  Nothing worse than looking down a bore and seeing holes and worn lands. It detracts from even the most beautiful of firearms. I admit. I am a bore freak. I do not shoot my high condition guns, but most have great bores.   Big Larry

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I am with Larry. I would purchase a gun with so-so bore if high grade or rare features but much prefer a bright sharp bore.

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cjs57 said
I am with Larry. I would purchase a gun with so-so bore if high grade or rare features but much prefer a bright sharp bore.

  

Nobody doesn’t “prefer” a good bore; question is, how much extra are you willing to PAY for it?  For a gun I wasn’t buying to shoot a lot, not much. Two guns in same external cond at same price, then of course bore cond would determine my choice.

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Doesn’t matter how rare or what features a gun has, wouldn’t buy it if the bore wasn’t good
Much easier to sell a gun with a good bore

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Doesn’t matter how rare or what features a gun has, wouldn’t buy it if the bore wasn’t good

Much easier to sell a gun with a good bore

  

In collecting kids 22’s, M1906, M1900, 1902, M1904, Thumb Trigger, and a few more from the black powder era, I find most have real bad bores, even some with no bores at all. One cannot be too picky when trying to get one of each for a 22 collection with a stellar bore. Just does not happen. One night of not cleaning after a shoot and the bore is corroded. That’s why Winchester came out with stainless steel in most models. Didn’t go over too well as the Japan finish peeled right off leaving the bbl. looking pretty bad on the outside. Now, stainless bbld. rifles come with an added premium. Big Larry

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Off topic a bit but a Singer 1911 barrel alone with a poor bore would bring $10,000 easy. Some of my Colt 1911’s have less than perfect bore but I purchase anyway if the price is right. I even have nice Winchester 1886 Extra Light Weight Take Down 45-70 with very fancy wood with tiny .002 bulge in the barrel under the front sight. Got is at less than 1/2 the going rate at the time. I intend to shoot it and see how it shoots. 

Talk about thread drift!

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cjs57 said
Off topic a bit but a Singer 1911 barrel alone with a poor bore would bring $10,000 easy. Some of my Colt 1911’s have less than perfect bore but I purchase anyway if the price is right. I even have nice Winchester 1886 Extra Light Weight Take Down 45-70 with very fancy wood with tiny .002 bulge in the barrel under the front sight. Got is at less than 1/2 the going rate at the time. I intend to shoot it and see how it shoots. 

Talk about thread drift!

  

Not really. I have a friend with a dead mint 1912 vintage US Property M1911 with a bad bore. He has spent most of his life searching for a nice and proper bbl. to go into that pistol. I also have an old friend with 2 Singers. Don’t know the bore condition, but knowing him, they are both nice. Big Larry

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