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I recently got a estate of firearms and one is a 22 pump Winchester. It’s not in the best shape, but I found it interesting that the barrel is marked ’06, but the serial number came back to an 1890 from 1927. Evidently they put a 06 barrel on their 1890. I’t’s more curious that they would take the trouble to do this. It does work sorta, as it fires and cycles a couple rounds before it jams. I’ll see if that can be corrected. If not I’m not out much.

I know (I think I know) that Winchester made replacement barrels for the older black powder 1890’s and marked them as ’90. Always something new with old guns.

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Hello Jim,

What is the serial number on your rifle?  It is entirely possible that it is factory original late production Model 06.  Do you have pictures of the rifle that you can share with me?

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IMG_2482-1280x259.jpgImage EnlargerIMG_2483.JPGImage EnlargerIMG_2484.JPGImage EnlargerHere you go Bert. The serial number is 759168. As you can see, it’s in rough shape.

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Jim Rogers said As you can see, it’s in rough shape.
  

Jim,  It’s no beauty queen, but most of us have seen much rougher!  Some pitting, but left side of rcvr, at least, ain’t that bad.  Boiled linseed oil cut 50/50 with turpentine will do wonders for the stock, I think, but a finish like TruOil would ruin it entirely.  Also think you’ll be surprised by Bert’s estimate of its worth.

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Jim,

There is nothing “odd” about your rifle.  It is a standard late production Model 06 that was manufactured in September 1927. 

To give you some added background information, on March 10th, 1926 at serial number 713200, Winchester merged the serialization of the Model 90 & Model 06 into one single sequence of serial numbers. 

Early in the day of March 10, 1926, the last Model 06 serial number that was manufactured in its own run of serial numbers (685999) was stamped and the last Model 90 serial number in its own sequence (713199) was stamped. Those were the last receiver frames marked with a “B” (for the 06) and an “A” (for the 90).  Later on that same day, Winchester discontinued marking the “A” below the serial number on the Model 90 receiver frame and resumed production at serial number 713200.  From that point in time and serial number, the Model 90 and Model 06 receiver frames were co-numbered through the end of production of both models on June 6, 1932 (at serial number 846022).  From June 7, 1932 through November 23, 1949, Winchester manufactured an additional 8,725 parts clean-up Model 90 and Model 06 rifles using a mix-match of parts including several with Mode 62 & 62A barrels.

For the past many years, I have been surveying (documenting) all of the late production Model 90 and Model 06 rifles (all serial numbers in the 713200 – 854747 range) to determine what the production ratios were in the co-mingled serial numbered range.  In total, Winchester manufactured (assembled) 141,548 late production and parts clean-up Model 90 & Model 06 rifles.  Currently, I have documented 1,240 of them (including your Model 06 rifle).  I intend to write & publish an article for the WACA Collector magazine in the near future discussing this very topic.

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Thanks so much Bert. Very cool I’ll have to invest some elbow grease in it. The serial number didn’t come up for an 06, thus my confusion (it doesn’t take much at my age).

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Jim Rogers said
Thanks so much Bert. Very cool I’ll have to invest some elbow grease in it. The serial number didn’t come up for an 06, thus my confusion (it doesn’t take much at my age).

  

You are welcome.  One of these days, I need to update the DOM look-up resource tool on the WACA website to make it easier for people to find and select the correct drop-down menu required for their specific Winchester.

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Thanks for posting the 1890/06 info above, Bert. I just started reading the Schwing books on the slide actions and saw an 1890 today at an estate sale and wondered about the late serialization…

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Jeremy P said
Thanks for posting the 1890/06 info above, Bert. I just started reading the Schwing books on the slide actions and saw an 1890 today at an estate sale and wondered about the late serialization…

  

If it has a s/n > 713199, please take another look at it and let me know what you find.

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Bert H. said

Jeremy P said

Thanks for posting the 1890/06 info above, Bert. I just started reading the Schwing books on the slide actions and saw an 1890 today at an estate sale and wondered about the late serialization…

  

If it has a s/n > 713199, please take another look at it and let me know what you find.

Bert

  

It sold (not to me), but if I remember correctly it was a 1909 manuf date (per WACA website) model 1890 in 22 Long. It had a round combination front sight (flip style). I closed the browser tab on my phone already so I lost the S/N I entered…..sorry!!!

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Jeremy P said
Thanks for posting the 1890/06 info above, Bert. I just started reading the Schwing books on the slide actions and saw an 1890 today at an estate sale and wondered about the late serialization…

  

Jeremy-

Was that the auction in Decatur? 

 

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TXGunNut said

Jeremy P said

Thanks for posting the 1890/06 info above, Bert. I just started reading the Schwing books on the slide actions and saw an 1890 today at an estate sale and wondered about the late serialization…

  

Jeremy-

Was that the auction in Decatur? 

 

Mike

  

Yes sir it was! I follow him around….he usually has some nice guns

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