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More Monkey Business
December 3, 2019
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clarence said

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PS: He does except returns though so his success at this is based on ignorant, uneducated buyers.

And there are PA-LENTY of them!  So many, that they made Jim Goergen, notorious among knowledgeable single-shot collectors for his grossly misleading descriptions in the pre-internet days of buying through Gun List & Shotgun News, a very wealthy man!  

To throw more gasoline on the fire, I bought a Colt 1862 Police from Jim in May at Denver.  Almost bought a 50 cal 76 from him the year before.  These are the only times I have met him.  I didn't know there were some problems in the past.  I got a good gun at a good price.  But, I had picked the gun up and held it in my hands before I bought it. 

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Chuck said To throw more gasoline on the fire, I bought a Colt 1862 Police from Jim in May at Denver.  Almost bought a 50 cal 76 from him the year before.  These are the only times I have met him.  I didn't know there were some problems in the past.  I got a good gun at a good price.  But, I had picked the gun up and held it in my hands before I bought it.   

 

I ordered three guns (SSs) from him in the '80s...because I'm a slow learner, I guess.  The last one, I distinctly remember, I only partially unwrapped before seeing that it didn't remotely resemble his description!  Yet I bought other guns from descriptions in Gun List without sending them back, so I don't think I'm "impossible to please."  (I also sold several on Gun List, & never received one complaint about my descriptions.)  Three guns isn't much of a statistical survey, but over the years I've heard the same kind of stories from so many other SS collectors, that I can't believe these three guns were an aberration.

Guns lying on a table at a show are obviously a vastly different proposition--their condition speaks for itself, so the opportunity to lie about it doesn't exist.

He never made the slightest protest when I called to say I was returning those three, which in itself suggests that he KNEW he'd been caught in a lie by one of the relative few among his customers who could not be fooled by a deceptive description.

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Clarence,  I got to thinking about Mr. Goergen.  I went and looked at the paperwork for the gun I bought.  The dealer was a Dick Goergen not Jim.  I have no idea if they may be related??  Dick is out of Oregon. 

Like you I have heard so many horror stories.  Honest gun dealer is an oxymoron.

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Chuck said
Clarence,  I got to thinking about Mr. Goergen.  I went and looked at the paperwork for the gun I bought.  The dealer was a Dick Goergen not Jim.  I have no idea if they may be related??  Dick is out of Oregon. 

Like you I have heard so many horror stories.  Honest gun dealer is an oxymoron.  

Not the same dealer at all--Goergen the Master of Prevarication was in Austin, Minn.  Haven't heard of him in years, so I'd have guessed he was long out of business, if not dead, but low & behold I found a website under his name!

https://www.goergensgunshop.com/index.php?p=1_3

I wonder, however, if it's not being run by his son or someone else who bought the business.  Don't know why he'd still need to be hawking guns, anyway, because at one time he had possibly the finest collection of high-grade SSs in the country--worth a million if not more.

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