Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Model 67 boys rifle in 22 WRF
sp_NewTopic Add Topic
Avatar
Troutdale, OR
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2045
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
December 4, 2021 - 8:15 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

I understand this is a rather rare model 67, but is it really worth over $11K (with the buyer’s premium)?

https://www.wardscollectibles.com/viewitem.php?item=4206

Don

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6624
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
2
December 4, 2021 - 1:39 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

It’s rare because most “boys” in 1935 shot Shorts because they were cheaper than LRs, with WRFs almost twice the cost of LRs.  But that anyone could covet it this much, or half this much, or a quarter this much, even assuming it’s the rarest 67 in existence, leaves me speechless.

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6624
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
3
December 4, 2021 - 6:06 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

[email protected] said

These Jr. Boy’s Rifles were mfg. starting from August 8, 1937, on the request of Adolph Topperwein, the great Winchester Sponsored shooter!

With a total production of approximately, 383,000 Model, I think that different variations are probably common.

So if the the Jr. Boys Rifle was introduced in 8/8/1937, and the Finger Grooved Stock was discontinued on the Model 67 in 1935, (per Herbert G. Houze),

Then I doubt this Rifle is 100 percent Correct!Smile  

Is it 50% correct?  Never owned or even handled a 67 myself, but if I was prepared to pay even a fraction of the cost of this one, for DAMN sure I’d have educated myself on every detail of their production history!  Which this fat-cat buyer evidently did not. 

Let’s hear what JWA makes of it.

Avatar
Santa Clara, CA
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 816
Member Since:
January 27, 1992
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
December 4, 2021 - 6:26 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

There is the chance that the little gun is correct.  Hard to prove how rare it is.  I have only seen a handful of W.R.F. Model 67’s and ‘never’ in the Boy’s Rifle configuration.  When someone desires a certain item and there it is……  and you just have to have it…..  I have been there and paid over 2 grand for a 697 22 Rifle.  But, I needed that minty prewar 22!  RDBWink

Avatar
Location: 32000' +
Moderator
Moderator
Forum Posts: 2189
Member Since:
July 17, 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
5
December 4, 2021 - 7:20 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

I am not sure how much I can add because I would NOT have bid on that rifle without seeing it in person and measuring the length of pull and closely examining the muzzle crown and diameter.  

Firstly, Houze is incorrect in his statement of when the 67 finger grooves were eliminated.  In his book he used the date of the Winchester Change Order (which is in the files at Cody) for the actual date the finger grooves were eliminated.  In actual fact, the finger-grooved stock was continued to be used on the G6701R up through 1937 and into 1941 on the 67 scoped models.  In late 1937 a new drawing was created and the stock was finally changed in 1938 to the blunt forend, semi-beavertail style that was originally authorized by the Change Order (but never produced) until several years later.  Houze did not have access to the 67 factory drawings which are mostly in private hands and also did not do much empirical examination of the pre-war Model 67s which would have easily indicated there were MANY more finger groove 67s produced than in just the first year. 

I am not disparaging Houze because I appreciate his work but in some cases, particularly with the Model 67, 68, 60, 60A and 60A Target there is certainly some erroneous information in his book due to the limited research resources he utilized.  We all make mistakes or omissions, I am sure I have in my limited work as well.  The key is not to keep repeating those same errors.

So, regarding the 67 Boy’s rifle, it appears to me that;

– the stock is correct (without measuring it)

– the barrel roll-marking is correct for .22 W.R.F. (they all have that funky overlap with the Winchester die)

Overall, I do not see any red flags that state it is a made-up rifle.  If I was there in person I would make sure the muzzle diameter was .627″, I would check the butt plate to make sure it was not the earlier “Trademark” style and I would measure the exact length of pull to verify it was a youth stock. 

While the auction hype is not quite correct, it IS a rare W.R.F. variant and is so rare that I don’t own one, but at that price I probably never will.  If I had that kind of money I would be collecting centerfire Winchesters like the rest of you.  I would have valued it between $1500-$2500.

 

Best Regards,

 

.

WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire

http://rimfirepublications.com/  

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 1802
Member Since:
September 22, 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
6
December 4, 2021 - 7:37 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

For $9665 plus buyer’s premium and other fees, it seems there’s just so much more you can get for that kind of money.

And, to bring that kind of money, there had to be one or more competing bidders wanting to pay nearly that much.  I just don’t see that sort of value in this rifle.

Avatar
NY
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 6624
Member Since:
November 1, 2013
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
7
December 4, 2021 - 8:14 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

mrcvs said
For $9665 plus buyer’s premium and other fees, it seems there’s just so much more you can get for that kind of money.

 

True, but whoever bought this probably already has everything else. 

Avatar
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 4729
Member Since:
March 31, 2009
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
8
December 4, 2021 - 10:58 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

clarence said

mrcvs said
For $9665 plus buyer’s premium and other fees, it seems there’s just so much more you can get for that kind of money.
 

True, but whoever bought this probably already has everything else.   

clarence said

mrcvs said
For $9665 plus buyer’s premium and other fees, it seems there’s just so much more you can get for that kind of money.
 

True, but whoever bought this probably already has everything else.   

Can you prove that someone actually bought this gun?  Or is it just hype for the next buyer?

Avatar
Northern edge of the D/FW Metromess
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5264
Member Since:
November 7, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
9
December 4, 2021 - 11:55 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_EditHistory sp_QuotePost

It appears the rifle has a new owner, or soon will. Have no idea what happened there. I sent a 67A Youth in 22LR home with my brother last year to introduce his grandkids to rifle shooting. Just sent him a PM about this auction. Told him the rifle in his safe is worth nowhere near what this one apparently sold for but wanted to remind him that the stock does not need “touching up”. 

Reckon this is the same guy who paid crazy (for the year) money for my straight-stock 63 a couple years ago? Maybe I sold it too soon.

 

Mike

Life Member TSRA, Endowment Member NRA
BBHC Member, TGCA Member
Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe
I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call, Lonesome Dove
Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.-TXGunNut
Presbyopia be damned, I'm going to shoot this thing! -TXGunNut
Avatar
Northern edge of the D/FW Metromess
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 5264
Member Since:
November 7, 2015
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
10
December 5, 2021 - 5:27 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print sp_QuotePost

It is had to believe two people wanted that rifle that badly, limestone304, it you must agree stranger things have happened lately. 

Mike

Life Member TSRA, Endowment Member NRA
BBHC Member, TGCA Member
Smokeless powder is a passing fad! -Steve Garbe
I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it. -Woodrow F. Call, Lonesome Dove
Some of my favorite recipes start out with a handful of depleted counterbalance devices.-TXGunNut
Presbyopia be damned, I'm going to shoot this thing! -TXGunNut
Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 778
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 6624
TXGunNut: 5264
Chuck: 4729
steve004: 4391
1873man: 4357
Big Larry: 2380
twobit: 2326
mrcvs: 1802
TR: 1738
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 17
Topics: 13022
Posts: 113820

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1819
Members: 8996
Moderators: 4
Admins: 3
Navigation