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Model 62 Gallery Gun Winchester Roll Mark
March 11, 2020
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I am considering a model 62 Gallery Gun with Winchester roll mark over trade mark in red lettering on left side of receiver.  I am concerned the roll mark doesn’t look quite right.  The roll mark appears a bit tilted, not quite parallel and centered to the general line of the receiver, and set back closer to the takedown screw when compared to reference photos where the roll mark is more centered on the receiver.  Is this correct or a possible fake?  Is there a way to verify?  I won’t be able to lay hands and eyes on the rifle until day of upcoming auction.  The rifle is .22 short and appears to have 17 groove pump.  Unfortunately I don’t have access to serial number info at this time.

Any advice on how to verify if this is correct factory rifle is greatly appreciated.

Big Mac

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Any pics of the magazine tube?

 

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Big Mac, 

I’m not into the pumps that have such a marking, however, FWIW, the one pictured in Schwing’s Volume 2, page 154 has several letters (C, H, S and T, for sure) that do not match the shapes of those in the picture that you have posted, IMO.   There are three more examples shown on page 155, but they are smaller pics and difficult to discern the shapes of the letters. That said, all four examples cited are further from the takedown screw than the one in the picture that you posted.

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TXGunNut said
Any pics of the magazine tube?

 

Mike  

Mike, 

Sorry no pix of the tube.

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jwm94 said
Big Mac, 

I’m not into the pumps that have such a marking, however, FWIW, the one pictured in Schwing’s Volume 2, page 154 has several letters (C, H, S and T, for sure) that do not match the shapes of those in the picture that you have posted, IMO.   There are three more examples shown on page 155, but they are smaller pics and difficult to discern the shapes of the letters. That said, all four examples cited are further from the takedown screw than the one in the picture that you posted.

James  

James,

Thanks.  I’ll compare photos tomorrow. 

Mac

March 12, 2020
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FWIW, here’s my gallery that I recently purchased from another WACA member with roll stamp for comparison. Mine has almost no red paint left, although looking closely i can see red flecks in the corners of the stamp. It doesn’t show up in the photo however. 

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supergimp said
FWIW, here’s my gallery that I recently purchased from another WACA member with roll stamp for comparison. Mine has almost no red paint left, although looking closely i can see red flecks in the corners of the stamp. It doesn’t show up in the photo however. 

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Here’s a couple, close up pictures of the Gallery gun that I sold recently.  (Steve were you the buyer?  I don’t remember.) Plus a picture of the barrel and magazine tube showing wear from the tie down strap.

These might help a little bit.

Jolly

 

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Gents,

Thanks to all for your responses.  I agree that the Winchester roll mark on the gun in the picture I posted is not positioned on the receiver the same as the roll mark in photos and Schwing references you provided.  I’m not so certain as to the difference in letter style/font shapes that James pointed out (my calibrated eyeball really can’t tell with the fuzzy photo).

So is the roll mark something that is known to be faked on these guns?  Or is it known that the roll mark placement in production was inconsistent?  Any additional thoughts are appreciated.

Big Mac

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Big Mac,

Here’s a link to a recent thread that might answers some questions that you might have: https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1186921

Also, note the cross bar of the H letter on page 154 of Schwing’s reference as it slants down and to the right, while the same part of this letter slants up and to the right on the example you posted.  This might be the single biggest difference regarding the letters that I mentioned.  To be fair, though, I don’t know tf the one that you are interested in is original or not.  Just trying to be of some help.

Have a great day!

James

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Big Mac,

Here’s a link to a recent thread that might answers some questions that you might have: https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1186921

Also, note the cross bar of the H letter on page 154 of Schwing’s reference as it slants down and to the right, while the same part of this letter slants up and to the right on the example you posted.  This might be the single biggest difference regarding the letters that I mentioned.  To be fair, though, I don’t know tf the one that you are interested in is original or not.  Just trying to be of some help.

Have a great day!

James  

James I see what you mean when I compare the “H” cross bar in my photo to p.154 photo in Schwing’s reference book…but mine looks very much like the H in photos posted by Jolly and Steve.  Regardless, barring someone weighing in with a convincing argument I think I’ll let this one go…too many questions that I can’t explain to myself much less anyone else.

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I wouldn’t be interested in the gallery gun in question. I have multiple samples of the “Winchester” Trademark logo both on the receiver and slide. The flanges on the letters aren’t correct and the centering appears off. My “Two Bit”s worthKiss

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