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This one, SN 128172, started out as a POS old standard rifle which I had seen on the Gun Value Board about 11 months ago. Now it shows up on Steve Barnett’s site via Guns International as a spanking new (ANIB) looking “Shot Only” configuration with a/the box to make it all so much worth $6500 asking price!!! How do these guys sleep at night? Save this serial number guys!! Be looking for it down the road.
Here is the original GVB forum thread: https://www.gunvaluesboard.com/model-61-serial-no.-128172.-how-much-is-it-worth-little-rough.-573163.html#615089
And here is the link to the faked rifle offered by Steve Barnett: https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-61/winchester-model-61-picture-box-22-l-rifle-shot-only.cfm?gun_id=101047598
Original SN
Faked SN
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael,
Thanks again for both the Model 61 survey AND the whistleblower updates, both are extremely appreciated!
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
Manuel said
has anyone contacted/called out Steve Barnett on his……um…..oversight…….
Doubtful, and based on past experience with him, he does not react well when someone points out that he is selling a Faked Winchester.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
Doubtful, and based on past experience with him, he does not react well when someone points out that he is selling a Faked Winchester.
Bert
Could the same thing could be said about the Merz gun being talked about in the other forum……
Manuel said
has anyone contacted/called out Steve Barnett on his……um…..oversight…….
I thought I might just leave it out there for a while for advertisement “value.” You know the “I’m happy to rip you off and sell fake guns”
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
I truly think some of these sellers and auctions feel:
“I didn’t fake it so oh well let me make some money off the unaware”….
Are these barrels counterfeit or factory barrels that someone is faking a standard gun into a rare shot rifle?
Any idea on who might be doing these conversions because they’re really screwing up the market on 61s and honest people are getting hurt thanking they have a rare original when in fact they don’t.
November 7, 2015
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Listing pulled/sold. I suspect we’ll see it again. Good eye, Michael!
Mike
For those who are interested here are the balance of the photos of the faked rifle.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 7, 2015
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Looks good to me. Other than some irregularities in the serial number I didn’t see anything that would indicate refurbishing. Only red flag for me is the box but that’s just a personal prejudice. Are they using NOS barrels for these fakes?
Mike
TXGunNut said
Looks good to me. Other than some irregularities in the serial number I didn’t see anything that would indicate refurbishing. Only red flag for me is the box but that’s just a personal prejudice. Are they using NOS barrels for these fakes?
Mike
Mike,
I have no idea where the barrels are coming from. Most likely brand new manufacture stuff.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael,
You are really doing us all a great service by calling out these fakes.
Great work.
Thanks,
Al
I as well believe there has to be some new manufacturing being done. I for one greatly appreciate all the attention that has been shared about fakes in the last few years. Not that I never gave great thought and research before, but in the last 5 years or so , I really curtail any emotions or trigger happy moments I have when at auction or buying in general. The market unfortunately seems to be flooded for a while…..
tionesta1 said
Michael,You are really doing us all a great service by calling out these fakes.
Great work.
Thanks,
Al
Al,
I am happy that all the work has the added value of not buying fakes and identifying those sellers who repeatedly handle these rifles.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
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