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Hello again guys,
Another entrant into the faked guns category which is being presented as “factory original” withe “original box” to make it so much more valuable??? And an asking price of $11,500!! The only problem is that when this rifle was sold at the Cordier Auction house during December 2016 as Lot 256 the engraving had not been finished yet and the box must have been waiting for the glue to dry!! Here is the current description From Winchester Way in Utah:
This is a very rare item to find in this condition. Winchester Model 61 .22 Magnum, Factory Deluxe Engraved Unfired in the original Factory Box 100% The serial number of this example is 3006XX placing date of manufacture in 1959 first year .22 magnum was available (.22 magnum only available two years). Overall condition is 100% new in the box and unfired. Hang Tag and all paperwork included. Please phone Tommy at (760)-912-3761 or e-mail all questions and concerns. $35.00 shipping. Insurance will be additional.
And the current photos:
Here is the Cordier Auction Listing from the December auction and their description:
Description: SERIAL #: 300626 DESIGN: Slide action with tubular magazine. 24″ barrel. MATERIAL/FINISH COMPOSITION: Blued steel. Smooth wood semi pistol grip stock and grooved forearm. FEATURES: Blade front sight. Step adjustable rear sight. Weaver Model J4 rimfire scope mounted with a Weaver 22 tip-off mount to the grooved receiver. Checkered black plastic butt plate with the Winchester Repeating Arms logo in the middle. Comes with original boxes for the scope and scope mount as well as the original hang tag for the rifle. CONDITION: Excellent. Approximately 90% + of the finish remains on metal components. Light wear to metal surfaces. Bore is excellent. A few light scratches and scrapes to stock, mostly at the bottom rear of the butt stock. Modest discoloration to butt plate. Light surface wear to scope, mainly at the eyepiece. Boxes and hang tag are in excellent shape. INVENTORY NO. / CATEGORY: 4789-006/C&R ESTIMATE: $600 – $800
And here are the photos from their listing:
Hopefully the purchaser from Winchester Way will get their hard earned money back from this obvious misrepresentation.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 7, 2015
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That’s unfortunate. Someone ruined a nice rifle and some very nice wood putting this fake together. Checkering was laid out wrong, no chance it could have come from Winchester that way. I suspect it’s no accident the pics of the engraving are poor quality.
TXGunNut said
That’s unfortunate. Someone ruined a nice rifle and some very nice wood putting this fake together. Checkering was laid out wrong, no chance it could have come from Winchester that way. I suspect it’s no accident the pics of the engraving are poor quality.
The MOST unfortunate part is that the rifle has supposedly sold for the crazy price of $11,500 for a faked rifle and fake box!!!
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
November 7, 2015
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Was wondering what it sold for; that’s a bit past “unfortunate” IMHO. I think we’re well into “fraud” territory here.
Mike
twobit said
Hopefully the purchaser from Winchester Way will get their hard earned money back from this obvious misrepresentation.
Have serious doubts that whoever had this much spare change to blow earned their dough the hard way, but nevertheless, such a fraud deserves exposure. If there was any way to learn the identity of the buyer, he should be provided with the facts. If the dealer was not in on the scam, informing him might be a way to go about it.
It’s Baaaack!! And for your foolish buying pleasure it is more expensive this time.
After supposedly being sold shortly after the rifle hit the website it is now re-listed as “NEW” and at an asking price of a thousand dollars MORE! For the same faked rifle. AND… It is being offered simultaneously on both Guns International and Gunbroker. Wouldn’t that make it kind of hard to bid??? Just so you recognize how much of an expert these guys are they claim that the magnum Model 61’s were introduced in 1959. Wrong! It was 1960. Then they were only offered for 2 years??? Let’s see. 1960, 1961, 1962 and 1963. Count them. That makes 1, 2, 3, 4 years by my fingers.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael,
Did you send this guy an email with your findings? It would be interesting to see how he responds.
Al
tionesta1 said
Michael,Did you send this guy an email with your findings? It would be interesting to see how he responds.
Al
Al,
I have “dealt” with them on one occasion in the past. They had a unique 1892 that they did not think was original but I checked Cody and it was so jumped on it with a phone call, email, and sent a check. After not hearing back from them for a few days I called and got some lame A** excuse about them missing my call and somebody else wanting it but then he backed out and they re-listed it at $1500 more!! My guess is that they found out it was original and then wanted more money. I was done with them at that point.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Thanks for the work you do in alerting us to fake items when you discover them. I view their web site from time to time and sometimes see some nice guns. I’ll stay clear of these folks. Too shady for me.
Al
You could send them a Email telling them it was a fake and then if they continued to list it at that price even after they knew it was fake, then for sure you’d know how dishonest Winchester Way was. I bought my Model 61 off them, and they did negotiate the with me on the price some, but i still did pay a high price for it. Not complaining though love my 61.
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