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June 7, 2024 - 11:59 pm
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As the title suggest, what type of 52D is my rifle in regards to the Winchester Model 52 Sight Combinations book reproduced by Pauline Muerrle?

 

I’m thinking it identifies as a Bull Gun Barrel with Round Top Receiver and a Marksman Stock.

 

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While I can’t answer your questions (although I have several M52, including a D), I really admire the DeWalt fan for the bench. Great idea!Smile

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Listed brl options for Ds were standard & heavy, but possibly a bull was available on special order; if so, Seewin would know.  At the rcvr, the heavy has a dia of 1″, the bull is 1.125; muzzles are the same, I think.  The Marksman stock evolved through several variations, yours being the last.

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Nevada Paul said I really admire the DeWalt fan for the bench. Great idea!Smile
  

It is!  I didn’t realize what it was.  Tie a wet towel across the front & you’d have the kind of water-cooler used before AC was invented. 

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That rifle is a 52-D heavy barrel. It’s nowhere near fat enough at the receiver to be a Bull Gun.

Measure the barrel where it meets the receiver; as Clarence points out, a true Bull Gun will be 1.125″.

Here are three Bull Guns (a 52-C above two pre-war 52-B Bull Guns.) While the picture is not ideal, you can see that they are substantially heavier than the common heavy barrel rifles. Furthermore, all weigh north of 12 pounds (without scope), while the Heavy barrel rifles usually tips the scale at about 10 pounds.

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LOL, thanks guys.  That fan is truly a life saver, money well spent and highly recommended.

Clarence,

Your mention of the 1.125″ barrel made me remember that barrel diameter belonged to the 52C.  Since mine is a D it would be 1″ at the receiver which should identify it as a heavy barrel and not the bull barrel.  So I guess I have a Heavy Barrel, Round Top Receiver.  Now the question is the stock.  In the book it list two Marksman stocks, 1. Marksman and 2. Marksman 1A.  Now, what’s the difference in those two stocks???  I thought I had a bull barrel and was wrong, I’m thinking I have a Marksman stock but am I wrong again?

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Kisssofdeath said
LOL, thanks guys.  That fan is truly a life saver, money well spent and highly recommended.

Clarence,

Your mention of the 1.125″ barrel made me remember that barrel diameter belonged to the 52C.  Since mine is a D it would be 1″ at the receiver which should identify it as a heavy barrel and not the bull barrel.  So I guess I have a Heavy Barrel, Round Top Receiver.  Now the question is the stock.  In the book it list two Marksman stocks, 1. Marksman and 2. Marksman 1A.  Now, what’s the difference in those two stocks???  I thought I had a bull barrel and was wrong, I’m thinking I have a Marksman stock but am I wrong again?

  

The heavy barrel on the 52D & E models was 1-1/16″ diameter at the receiver. There was no Bull Barrel version, just the Heavy and Standard wt models. The Bull barrels ended with the C models.

The Marksman  and Marksman 1A stocks you mention were for pre 52D models. There was only one Marksman stock for the D’s. It was used on both the Standard Weight barrel and heavy barrel versions, albeit with different barrel channel profiles to match the particular model it was used on. Your rifle is a commercial 52D heavy weight model.

By the way, all 52 receivers were round tops from the C forward.

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Thanks for sharing the knowledge.  I guess it’s settled, I have a heavy barreled round top receiver with marksman stock.

 

According to my book there are three rear sights appropriate for my configuration.  Of those three I went with a Redfield International.  The International isn’t listed but I pretty sure it’s equivalent in size to the Olympic that is mentioned.  Earlier today I won a Redfield International front sight.  I know the International is larger in diameter than the Olympic but are there anything else such has height?  The book only list the Olympic front sight and evidently there’s three versions of that and is identified as simply #1, #2 and #3.  Does anyone know how an International front sight relates to the Olympic #1 or #2 or #3?

For the receiver base I believe the W490 would work the best, anyone have any comments or recommendations?

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Winchester did not include sights with the Commercial model D’s. The Military D’s were equipped with 670 rear bases, International rear sights, and Olympic front sights. 

FYI there were 2 distinct models of International front sights, the Big Bore for centerfire rifles, and Smallbore for the rimfires. The SB looks very similar to the Olympic and the BB is much shorter with no “bell” at the front . 

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I’ve seen both of those styles but until now, never knew the difference.  Mine is the small bore according to your description.  Here’s a few photo2 of the one I got from eBay.

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I’ve seen both of those styles but until now, never knew the difference.  Mine is the small bore according to your description.  Here’s a few photo2 of the one I got from eBay. 

I’ve never handled one.  Aluminum?

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Yes, the Redfield International front sights, both the big bore and small bore versions, are made of aluminum.

The Olympics sights are all steel, which is why I prefer them.

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clarence said

Kisssofdeath said

I’ve seen both of those styles but until now, never knew the difference.  Mine is the small bore according to your description.  Here’s a few photo2 of the one I got from eBay. 

I’ve never handled one.  Aluminum?

  

I’ve never handled one either.  I wanted the International mostly because it has a larger diameter tube to see through.  Also, name wise, it matches up with the International rear.

It appears, and I knew this before hand, it may be more difficult to find apertures for International size.

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