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Hello, everyone,
What an “INCREDIBLE” forum you have here, such great information & savvy people. 

I was hoping someone might be able to help me out.
Recently I was willed a Winchester Model #60?… I know nothing about this rifle what so ever.

I have done some research, however, still in the dark, nothing I read can give me any idea as to how old this beauty is.

It has what appears to be a leather sling with these copper or brass clips on it the leather is thick.

I wonder if it is original to the rifle or not! It is a bolt action everything seems to be in order.  I’ve not fired it as of yet.

The overall length appears to be just at is 38¾  from the tip of the barrel to the bottom of the stock butt
The barrel is 23″ even. This rifle sat for a very long time ion an attic 
Where might I find the date of manufacture or the serial number? 

I’m going to try to post some photos any help would be greatly appreciated …
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Thank you in advance for any information
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Tiffani & Rick

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Hello Rick,

Thank you for the compliment!

The Model 60 was introduced at a dark time in Winchester’s history (and U.S. history), as the Great Depression was just getting started. The official production period for the Model 60 is listed as 1930 – 1934, with a total of nearly 166,000 manufactured. It was replaced in 1934 by the Model 67. I do not know if Winchester marked the barrel with the 2-digit year number or not, but I would definitely check for it (pull the barreled action out of the stock). The sling is very likely original, and if not, it is definitely a period item.

We have several WACA members that are very knowledgeable about the .22 rim fire Winchester rifles that may be able to provide more information about your rifle.

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My wife just noticed some imprint on the sling in one of my photos .. interested to know if anyone can make that out.
At 50 years old, my eyes are not what they use to be.  I took the barrel off the stock and only saw what appears to be a B and a triangle  i will try to post a photo 
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lots of pitting huh?

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Hello Rick,
Thank you for the compliment!
The Model 60 was introduced at a dark time in Winchester’s history (and U.S. history), as the Great Depression was just getting started. The official production period for the Model 60 is listed as 1930 – 1934, with a total of nearly 166,000 manufactured. It was replaced in 1934 by the Model 67. I do not know if Winchester marked the barrel with the 2-digit year number or not, but I would definitely check for it (pull the barreled action out of the stock). The sling is very likely original, and if not, it is definitely a period item.
We have several WACA members that are very knowledgeable about the .22 rim fire Winchester rifles that may be able to able more information about your rifle.
Bert  

Bert H. 
Thank you, Sir, for the prompt reply.
Hard to imagine that the Crosman “on the top of the gun rack” from what I’ve been reading in my grandfather’s journal., that pellet gun fed my family more times than the local grocery store did back in the late 1930’s in Plymouth Massachusetts.
Just getting into the Winchester 60-22 era, now!…

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Sling is not original. The original sling was a canvas type called a Kerr. Styled after the M1917 Kerr from WW1 that they put on M1917’s and M1903’s. They also used the Kerr on the Thompson Submachineguns. 

The Kerr for the M60-A was less than an inch wide and was a different color.

BTW, the M60 did not come with sling swivels. That was the ultra scarce M60-A target rifle. About 6,000 were made making it one of the rarest of the 22 series not counting the scoped models that came later.

The bbls. are dated. At about 6o’clock underneath. Take the stock off and you will find it.

Pictured is a M60-A target rifle. I have a M60 as well, but no pictures for you. Let me know if you need more info.     Big Larry

 

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 Wow, that is a real beauty you have there, Big Larry!
Mine isn’t near as nice!! 
I don’t have that clamp near the foregrip, nothing even showing that it may have even been there at one time or not…. also my barrel doesn’t look as long as yours! 
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Hello, everyone,
What an “INCREDIBLE” forum you have here, such great information & savvy people. 

I was hoping someone might be able to help me out.
Recently I was willed a Winchester Model #60?… I know nothing about this rifle what so ever.

I have done some research, however, still in the dark, nothing I read can give me any idea as to how old this beauty is.

It has what appears to be a leather sling with these copper or brass clips on it the leather is thick.

I wonder if it is original to the rifle or not! It is a bolt action everything seems to be in order.  I’ve not fired it as of yet.

The overall length appears to be just at is 38¾  from the tip of the barrel to the bottom of the stock butt
The barrel is 23″ even. This rifle sat for a very long time ion an attic 
Where might I find the date of manufacture or the serial number? 

I’m going to try to post some photos any help would be greatly appreciated …
 
  
Thank you in advance for any information
Sincerely
Tiffani & Rick  

 

Hi Tiffani & Rick,

The Model 60 was not serial numbered.  Your Winchester Model 60 was most likely made in early 1931 since it is not a 60-A and has the earlier 23″ barrel.  Add to that it has an optional Lyman 55W receiver sight which was not introduced until 1933 and that pretty much nails the date of manufacture to the last of the Model 60’s produced prior to the change to the Model 60-A in 1933.

The barrel date is usually located UNDER the sear spring which must be removed to view it.  Your sear spring is in place in the photos so the date is not visible but I would gamble that your barrel date is probably “31” or “32”.

Sling swivels were an optional accessory for the Model 60 although few were ordered with them.  Optional Winchester supplied slings for the Model 60 during that period were both leather and the Kerr sling.  However, as Big Larry mentioned, your sling is not original to the rifle.  In fact, it is much older than the rifle and is a military Model 1907 pattern sling made in 1918 for the Model 1903 Springfield.   I think your sling is actually lightly stamped “G&K  1918  J.B.” since that is a common WWI sling marking. G&K is the contractor marking for Graton and Knight who produced slings for the U.S. Military during WWI.  “J.B.” are the initials of the inspector.  Those early military slings have significant value and if in decent condition can easily bring at least $150+ (and possibly more).

The Model 60, Model 60-A and Model 60-A Target are confusing to research online since there are some errors in the previously published information.  If you have any other specific questions I would be happy to help answer them for you.

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Thank you so very much that clears up alot of confusing information out there. I do not see the “Safe” or the “Fire” they talk about in the later year model.
I want to take off the sear spring but am very reluctant to do so I’m extremely curious as to the date of this rifle, This Winchester was in the company of two other old & valuable Marlins rifles so I’m guessing it isn’t junk.

NowI just took the barrel off again and under the spring “I’m not sure if this is the correct spot”  I read what appears to be a “31”  I took a photo of the place I’m talking about & including it in this post.
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Is the-the correct area where I should be looking? 
Thank you again !!

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 Wow, that is a real beauty you have there, Big Larry!
Mine isn’t near as nice!! 
I don’t have that clamp near the foregrip, nothing even showing that it may have even been there at one time or not…. also my barrel doesn’t look as long as yours! 
https://imgur.com/McMzT7K  

I wound up with 2 M60-A target rifles. One 97% and the other a 98%er. I also have a very early M60-A Sporting rifle with the short bbl. and the early safety. Strange rifle, has all the characteristics of the early M60 Sporting rifle. Winchester sure did some strange things.   Big Larry

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Thank you so very much that clears up alot of confusing information out there. I do not see the “Safe” or the “Fire” they talk about in the later year model.
I want to take off the sear spring but am very reluctant to do so I’m extremely curious as to the date of this rifle, This Winchester was in the company of two other old & valuable Marlins rifles so I’m guessing it isn’t junk.

NowI just took the barrel off again and under the spring “I’m not sure if this is the correct spot”  I read what appears to be a “31”  I took a photo of the place I’m talking about & including it in this post.
https://imgur.com/Gft8mdJ
Is the-the correct area where I should be looking? 
Thank you again !!  

 

Yes, that is the correct area for the date and “31” was when the barrel was made but is not necessarily the date the rifle was assembled and sold.  Winchester did not use a “first in, first out” process when using parts from the bins.  While your barrel was made in 1931, I still think your rifle was probably not received in the warehouse until early 1932.

Your Model 60 has the correct, early solid bolt without the window for the safety marking.

Since you can see the date obliquely you do not need to remove the spring since there is a potential to scratch the barrel if not done carefully.

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Ok, after inspecting this barrel very closely with a powerful magnifying glass. I think I was wrong in stating it was severely pitted.
In fact, I hardly see any pitting at all it actually looks more like layers of smoke or something all over it. I wonder if it was in a house fire  Imagine the history this rifle could tell …  

I’m not sure if I should clean it up or just leave it in its original state, 

I’m leaning towards leaving it as is ..I mean who am I to come along & clean off the many decades of history this beautiful tool has acquired over the years?  

I also just found notches on the underside of her stock.
As if to indicate he was counting something. Squirrels? Rabbit?
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What is the overall value of this rifle for insurance purposes?
I’m curious 
$200 bucks?
Granted it’s sentimental value supersedes all

Why do we come up with all these questions only AFTER our loved ones have passed on?
Why didn’t  I pay attention to the way he made those stuffed peppers or his baked stuffed mushrooms, Oyster stew, Clam chowdah or his Banana bread. 
I foolishly took these things for granted, now they are gone forever.  
Generations of old family recipes have passed on with my father.
I never wrote his knowledge down for future reference. I’m a fool 

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For insurance purposes I would value your rifle at $200 + another $150 for the sling.

I would simply clean and preserve the rifle by removing the yellowish dried oil depicted in your photos, lightly cleaning the grime from the stock and preserving the leather.

To accomplish this I would remove the barreled action from the stock (to prevent the metal cleaning chemicals to come in contact with the wood).

The bolt and barrel can be wiped down with Brake Cleaner or Acetone to remove the dried (yellowish) oil coating.  The bolt may need to be soaked or immersed/flushed to get all of the old oil out.  An old toothbrush can be used to scrub the nooks and crannies.  A cleaning rod or boresnake can be used to clean the bore.

The stock can be lightly cleaned (not soaked) with water and a mild detergent (such as Dawn dishwashing liquid).   Unless the stock is very dry I would not recommend adding any additional finish or oil to it since it may adversely react with the original lacquer finish.

The sling can be cleaned/preserved with Pecard’s Antique Leather dressing.  Since the sling has significant value I would NOT recommend the common leather oils or cleaners such as Neatsfoot oil or other oils as they tend to soften the leather too much.  Pecard’s goes on more like a soft wax and is what many museums use.

Since there does not appear to be any active rust (just a lack of the original blued finish) you can simply apply a protective coat of oil to the metal after cleaning.  If you are not planning to shoot the rifle you can use a long term storage oil like EezOx or RIG.  If you plan on using the rifle and cleaning it occaisionly any good gun oil will work for short-term rust prevention but NOT WD-40.

Hope that helps.

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Yes,  that was a tremendous help. Thank you, sir……………..

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Yes,  that was a tremendous help. Thank you, sir……………..  

My early M60-A Sporting type is extremely accurate. Recently shot a great group at 50 yards benched. All in the black and closely grouped. Shot better than my scoped M69-A. I have the early one with the short bbl. and finger groove stock. It is about a 95% rifle. You don’t often find them that nice.  Big Larry

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Does anyone know if one could shoot a .22 mag round through this gun?

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No, you cannot shoot 22 WMR (magnum) ammo in an original Winchester Model 60.

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I would stick to 22 lr  Standard Velocity cartridges.  Here a couple of photos of my 60a Target Model . These are great little 22s!

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Just found a Kerr sling for my 60a , awaiting it’s arrival. 

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Vince said
I would stick to 22 lr  Standard Velocity cartridges.  Here a couple of photos of my 60a Target Model . These are great little 22s!

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Just found a Kerr sling for my 60a , awaiting it’s arrival.   

Vince, I hope you got the correct Kerr. There are many variations of this sling. Published data on the M60-A Kerr puts the width at 1″. It is actually less than that. The Kerr that is listed for my Thompson is way to short. I had to use one from the M1917 rifle.  One listed as an option for a M52 must be shorter as a M1917 Kerr is too long. I hope this works out for you. I waited many years to find one, then one day, it fell into my lap. A new one at that. Big Larry

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Larry, don’t know which one it actually is,  it’s a freebie from a friend. As long as it will look good on the gun rack I’ll be happy. 

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