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These are listed in the C&R book: Models ’02, ’03, ’06, 55, 61, 62, 63. But 52s, ONLY through #6500! Is this right???
Any other models not, for some reason, listed in latest printing?
clarence said
These are listed in the C&R book: Models ’02, ’03, ’06, 55, 61, 62, 63. But 52s, ONLY through #6500! Is this right???Any other models not, for some reason, listed in latest printing?
Clarification from the ATF website – “Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF’s C&R list. Therefore, ATF does not generally list firearms in the C&R publication by virtue of their age. However, if you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories (b) or (c) above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division (FATD) for a formal classification.”
So, ALL of the Winchester .22’s manufactured prior to 1966 (as of this year) are C&R eligible as long as they can be proven to be 50 years or older (in general this encompasses all of the pre-64 models except the Model 52). Since the Model 52 was produced well past the 1966 date (50 year demarcation) the actual serial number range for C&R eligible Model 52’s changes every year.
Hope that makes sense.
Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
JWA said
Since the Model 52 was produced well past the 1966 date (50 year demarcation) the actual serial number range for C&R eligible Model 52’s changes every year.
Hope that makes sense.
Regards,
Sure it makes sense, but how often can one rely on federal bureaucrats to behave sensibly!
clarence said
Sure it makes sense, but how often can one rely on federal bureaucrats to behave sensibly!
Almost never, that is why I carry a copy of the clarification page from the ATF website with my 03 C&R FFL. It helps clear up any confusion although some 01 FFL dealers still refuse to sell to C&R holders because they are ignorant of the law or too lazy to determine if a firearm is eligible by date. The other problem is that the 03 FFL’s do not show up on the FFL EZ-check system on the ATF website so in order for a seller to verify the 03 FFL (if they want to) they have to call in to the ATF. It takes about 1-5 minutes to verify an 03 FFL over the phone and apparently that is too much of a burden for some sellers to endure to make a sale.
I have walked away from many guns offered for sale simply because the 01 FFL did not want to deal with an 03 FFL. Their business must be good enough that they don’t need my cash for a perfectly legal (and easy) transaction so I just take my cash and future business elsewhere, no worries.
Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
JWA said I have walked away from many guns offered for sale simply because the 01 FFL did not want to deal with an 03 FFL. Their business must be good enough that they don’t need my cash for a perfectly legal (and easy) transaction so I just take my cash and future business elsewhere, no worries.
Regards,
Precisely the right attitude…but it requires more self-discipline that I possess when the gun in question is so rare (a Model 1885 Stevens on Gun Broker) that it’s the first one you’ve ever found offered for sale. Though I offered proof this model had been discontinued by the early 1890s so was clearly an ANTIQUE, dealer insisted on shipping to an FFl, costing me an additional $50. And he’s not the only one–I’ve seen others on GB who refuse to ship to a C&R.
November 7, 2015
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BATFE has an excellent Q&A section on their site. Matter of fact, I found the whole site very informative and they sent me a few very helpful publications with my license. I don’t spend a lot of time trying to correct 01 FFL holders/employees. I’ve even filed out 4473’s on antique rifles a time or two. I’ll point out their error but if they don’t agree I can’t force them to sell me a gun. I won’t stray anywhere near a gray area and won’t try to convince anyone to do anything they’re not comfortable with. Sometimes we’re up against corporate policy, not ATF regs.
At the Big Reno show, there is a dealer there from Calif. with lots of C&R guns. The only problem is, he will not take a C&R and insists on a regular FFL. I use my buddies FFL for later gun deals I make, but had to use his FFL for a 1939 vintage M52-B. My dealer friend said he was a typical Calif. idiot and refused to register the 77 year old rifle. Big Larry
November 7, 2015
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With all the silliness in CA I’d be tempted to trust his judgement on what the nitwits in Sacramento may or may not require. They have their own version of reality out there and I won’t butt heads with a bunch of bureaucrats over a gun sale. They’d release an illegal immigrant gangbanger to make room for someone like you or me.
In defense of CA (and yes it does suck) I live in Los Angeles and use my C&R on a regular basis with no issues. But the nitwits do make it terribly confusing since they refuse to learn about that which they legislate on (if it’s black it must be evil!) so they just produce overlapping laws meant to confuse so the populous just picks a different hobby out of frustration (hey Sac, it’s not working!).
The biggest thing that sucks about being here is there really are no deals to be had on classic Winchesters. My LGC has a few 3rd model 1873’s marked “original finish” which (thanks to what I’ve learned here) are clearly refinished and are asking at least 6-8k. Thus I’m relegated to online sales, auctions, etc. Given budgets and auction premiums, 22’s have been really attractive to me and I have discovered my youth in having a blast shooting them. My local range has a great rimfire plate gallery that’s just a hoot with my minty 62 or 63.
Jealous of all of you at the show. I had every intention of making the trek this year but health issues got in the way. Have a safe return.
Steve
WACA Member. CFM Member. NRA Lifer.
TXGunNut said
With all the silliness in CA I’d be tempted to trust his judgement on what the nitwits in Sacramento may or may not require. They have their own version of reality out there and I won’t butt heads with a bunch of bureaucrats over a gun sale. They’d release an illegal immigrant gangbanger to make room for someone like you or me.
Man, you don’t know how true that is. My whole family is in law enforcement and anything goes as far as letting the crooks off with a light sentence or none at all. Spank their little hands and plea them out. That does not happen to an upstanding member of the community like you or I. Hang him and hang him high. Big Larry
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Maybe, Larry. I toted a big chunk of brass for 25 yrs. Even kept a couple for souvenirs when I turned in my gear awhile back. I’ll keep your family in my thoughts and prayers. There was a time when we kicked bad guys butts and the good guys appreciated it. Those days are long gone.
Yes, my Stepson was Agent in Charge of Air Ops in El Centro. He is retired now and has many neat stories to tell. My BIL was a SDPD Cop for 30 years and I was a reserve Sheriffs Deputy back in the 60’s. A few more of the family was also in law enforcement. Thanks for your service. Big Larry
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