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July 13, 2020
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Going to look at a M1906 22lr, he says the bluing looks original and in excellent condition. what is the first thing to look for for a refinish job? And any other things to look for.   thanks   terry he also said it dated to 1913.

July 13, 2020
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Terry,

Check the proof mark stamps. They should be clear, slightly raised, and not the same color bluing as the surrounding rest of the barrel and receiver frame (should be lighter in color, or even grayish in color).

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Bert H. said
Terry,
Check the proof mark stamps. They should be clear, slightly raised, and not the same color bluing as the surrounding rest of the barrel and receiver frame (should be lighter in color, or even grayish in color).
Bert  

hate to sound like a dope, but where on the rifle are the proof marks?   terry  He just sent a pic. of the 1906, the slide handle is ribbed, is correct for that rifle, I thought it should be smooth.  seriel #437136

July 14, 2020
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Terry,

The superposed "WP" proof mark stamps are on the top of the frame ring and the barrel (adjacent to each other).  The pictures in this auction are not super clear, but they show the proof marks, and how they are discolored.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/winchester-rifles-model-1906/winchester-model-1906-22-s-l-lr-pump-action-rifle.cfm?gun_id=100856900#lg-23

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Terry;

Also look for a P in a circle on top of the barrel near the proof marks. This would indicate that the barrel is a replaced barrel. With the P circled usually does not have a Winchester proof on the barrel. Lots of these old 06s had the barrel replaced. Look at both ends of the barrel to see if there is any indication of a relined barrel.  Good Luck.

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On that year of rifle could the slide handle be a ribbed or smooth one? either way?  terry

July 14, 2020
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Curious what the 06 referenced by Bert on Guns International sold for. Thinking of listing mine in better shape.

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Curious what the 06 referenced by Bert on Guns International sold for. Thinking of listing mine in better shape.  

sell here.

July 21, 2020
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Went and listed it at gunbroker. Comments welcome. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/874597320

July 24, 2020
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Looks like a lot of rust for being listed as very nice?

July 25, 2020
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Went and listed it at gunbroker. Comments welcome. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/874597320  

It's a pretty clean one, retains a good portion of the original finish and the wood is nice. Tang Screw is a bit chewed up. The finish on the rear sight doesn't match the barrel. It's a late manufacture rifle, appears to have a model 62 three pin bolt VS one pin and two screws. I've got a late production 90 with the same 3 pin bolt. I think it's a fair price for the condition. I would have replaced the tang screw and rear sight before selling. (OEM parts in better condition) Possibly more money and easier sale....

Best of luck with your sale!

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tsillik said
Looks like a lot of rust for being listed as very nice?  

It's a mistake to include a verbal description when good photos (as in this case) are provided.  Verbal descriptions are always subjective. 

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So i guess i am wrong on the condition of this rifle? I guess I thought a very nice condition meant just that.

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Went and listed it at gunbroker. Comments welcome. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/874597320  

Well, for starters, it is not a "tail end of production 1936".  It was actually manufactured in February 1930 (during the regular production period).  Like others, I am very suspect of the rear sight.  Based on what I see in the pictures, it is most likely a replacement based on its noticeably higher amount of wear to the bluing.  Overall it is a "very nice" Model 06, but a little short of the "Investment grade" you tout it to be.

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I believe I am mistaken on the bolt, The pic is of the extractor pin and not one of the firing pin stop screws/pins. Being 1930 production it should surely have screws and not pins.

 

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Thank You all for your input. I always learn a lot from other members. In person the gun appears as I described it but photography seems to highlight any underlying blemishes. Also any listing I can find shows early 1930"s serial number beginning with690,176 this one is 827519 and I believe production stopped at around 848000.

I never realized the bolt pins or screws were different in any models or I would have highlighted that in photos. This gun has two screws and one pin. Again thanks everyone for the comments.

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antler1 said
Thank You all for your input. I always learn a lot from other members.  Also any listing I can find shows early 1930"s serial number beginning with 690,176 this one is 827519 and I believe production stopped at around 848000.
 

As with many of the published production number tables found in reference books and on the internet, nearly all of them contain errors. Per the actual (verified) Winchester serialization records, the following is the fact;

Model 90 S/N 713199 was the last number applied on March 10th, 1926, and it was the last one with the "A" below the serial number.

Model 06 S/N 685999 was the last number applied on March 10th, 1926, and it was the last one with the "B" marked below the serial number.

It has been erroneously published by various authors that the Model 06 was discontinued in March 1906, but that is absolutely not accurate.  What actually occurred, is that Winchester merged the serialization of the Model 90 and Model 06 beginning at S/N 713200, and regular production of both models continued until June 1932 with serial numbers reaching 846022.  Parts clean-up production began in February 1933 (after the Model 62 production was up and running), and it continued up to November 23rd, 1949, ending with serial number 854747.  There was a long hiatus in parts clean-up production during WW II (July 1942 - October 1949).  Between February 1933 - November 1949, Winchester assembled 8,725 "parts clean-up" rifles.  In that range, Model 90, 06, 62, and 62A rifles are found with serial numbers > 846022. Some of the Model 90 rifles in that range are found with 23-inch round barrels, but single caliber marked.

In an effort to document all of this, a research survey has been in progress for all serial numbers > 713199.  The survey will ultimately help to determine an estimated production ratio for the Model 90 and 06 up through June 1932, and what the mix was during the parts clean-up from 1933 - 1949.  Any and all inputs from WACA members and collectors is much appreciated.  After we reach approximately 1,500 survey samples, I intend to write an article for the Collector magazine documenting the facts & findings.

This is the link to the Research Survey forum topic - https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-research-surveys/model-90-06-62-62a-survey/

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Added to your survey

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Bert H. said

Well, for starters, it is not a "tail end of production 1936".  It was actually manufactured in February 1930 (during the regular production period).  Like others, I am very suspect of the rear sight.  Based on what I see in the pictures, it is most likely a replacement based on its noticeably higher amount of wear to the bluing.  Overall it is a "very nice" Model 06, but a little short of the "Investment grade" you tout it to be.

Bert  

Check out the Butt Plate screw in the picture. Don't think it is standard. That type was usually installed on Deluxe grade guns from Winchester. Odd to see that screw on a standard grade gun.

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renegade said

Check out the Butt Plate screw in the picture. Don't think it is standard. That type was usually installed on Deluxe grade guns from Winchester. Odd to see that screw on a standard grade gun.  

That type of screw is standard on all 1906 / 06 models. 100% correct. As far as '06's go, this is a very nice example. They are usually found well used since they were the cheap version of the 1890 and likely used by kids. 

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