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1890 with a “Target” barrel???
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July 21, 2021 - 5:31 pm
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Can’t say I’ve ever seen or heard of this:

 

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/901706910

What’s everyone think?

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July 21, 2021 - 5:39 pm
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A measurement of the brl dia would prove whether it’s heavier than standard; doesn’t look that way to me.

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Is the word Target the same font as the rest of the barrel address?

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Is the word Target the same font as the rest of the barrel address?  

The Font appears to be correct but I remain highly skeptical. With so many bona fide target rifles in production I can see no reason for Winchester to produce a “target” 1890. I’ve read Schwings book cover to cover and never encountered mention of a target model 1890.  I’ve certainly never seen another. With only 5 terrible photo’s showing the rifle I would steer clear at the price he wants. The barrel does have a stamp close to the receiver but I can’t make out if it is a circle P or a WP proof mark. The pictures are so poor the mark is indistinguishable. The serial #’s are not shown. Would Winchester make a custom target barrel for a 90??? There is a reason bolt rifles are the choice of target shooters! The seller does state the barrel was probably changed. He does have quite a few interesting pieces for sale……

 

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Erin Grivicich said

The Font appears to be correct but I remain highly skeptical. With so many bona fide target rifles in production I can see no reason for Winchester to produce a “target” 1890.
 

Except that Rem produced a “NRA Target Grade” Model 12C.  It, however, was provided with a tang sight & front sling swivel; still, a foolish idea to call it a target rifle.

Only thing needed to determine whether the brl is anything special is a ruler.

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If it’s  something your interested in or have questions,   why not just ask the seller.  Seems like everytime something  odd comes up, everyone has already assumed something is either fake, the seller is a crock or you name it.  It’s  easy to ask the seller questions.  Then you  can make  the  decision as to  whether  the info is true or not.

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win4575 said
If it’s  something your interested in or have questions,   why not just ask the seller.  

I just asked him for the dia of the brl at the muzzle.    

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Good for you.  I would  be interested  to  know what he says.  In my  opinion, the barrel looks considerably heavier than the standard 1890 weight.

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Interesting… No idea if it is real or not, but it looks good.

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win4575 said
If it’s  something your interested in or have questions,   why not just ask the seller.  Seems like everytime something  odd comes up, everyone has already assumed something is either fake, the seller is a crock or you name it.  It’s  easy to ask the seller questions.  Then you  can make  the  decision as to  whether  the info is true or not.  

I don’t know if it’s legit or not and did not imply or intend to imply either line of belief.

I don’t have enough knowledge regarding this rifle to ask the seller any questions beyond “is this gun legit or not?” Which seems senseless as I’m guessing he would have made assurances and provided proof of such assurances in the listing if he had such.

I have a few nice 1890s and have viewed thousands. I’ve never seen that barrel mark before and figured I’d lean on the members of this Winchester Collector Forum in hopes that someone had more or any knowledge on the topic. 

Armed with more information, I would immediately reach out to the seller. Until then…

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From the seller’s description “BBL probably added to existing gun sometime in the past” but I’ll hide behind the “never say never” caveat on this rifle. Looks good to this casual collector, thanks for posting the link.

 

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From the seller’s description “BBL probably added to existing gun sometime in the past” but I’ll hide behind the “never say never” caveat on this rifle. Looks good to this casual collector, thanks for posting the link.

 

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Barrel is spelled with two Bs?  Anyway, if he believes that, why such a high price?

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Barrel is spelled with two Bs?  Anyway, if he believes that, why such a high price?  

I don’t have an answer to that, price more in line with an original, unusual specimen. 

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Just for fun! Many different abbreviations but bbl goes back to 1756. Don

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Here’s seller’s response (finally) to my request to measure the muzzle diameter, which would have revealed whether the brl was heavier than standard.  (Guess that question was too hard.) 

“Not a tapered bbl, breech same as muzzel.”

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Interesting there are no proof marks on either the receiver or barrel.

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