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March 13, 2022
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I have 2 22 cal. 1873 rifles 1 is a 22-cal. short built in 1886 the other is a 1873 22 cal. long built in 1902. they both have a different magazine. James Gordon’s book states the magazines are reversed as to which was the first in my guns. I would like to know which one is the early one.
May 2, 2009
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Gordon has the two reversed. If you look at the 1884 catalog page in his book you can see its the early style. Here is a picture of the two. The upper one is the early one and the bottom is the later style that was introduced in March of 1898
Bob
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I agree, the early one had two catches one like a bent hair pin the other made out of solid metal. When I got my gun with the early style magazine it didn’t have the catch. I found guns with both style catches. I tried making the bent hair pin one & had no luck, so I made the solid style & it works fine. Gail
May 2, 2009
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Gail,
I made one of those but I had one to copy.
Bob
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Looks fine Bob.
May 2, 2009
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Gail,
Did you send me the specifics for any of those 73’s? I would like to add them to the 73 survey I’m doing.
Bob
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Have you seen one made out of a solid piece of metal?
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Have you seen one made out of a solid piece of metal? 22 short # 200156 built in 1886. 22 long #559430 built in 1902 the 22 short has the early magazine. the 22 long has the later style magazine. I don’t know how to send a picture if I knew how I could send a picture of the solid cartridge stop.
May 2, 2009
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Gail,
559430 I saw that one in Tulsa at the November 2022 show. I don’t have 200156. Is that a 24″ octagon plain trigger as well?
Is the solid one look like the bottom one pictured in this photo? That spring is formed from flat steel.
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Bob
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The 200156 is octagon barrel 24″ plain trigger. the magazine is just like the magazine that uses the cartridge stop you made but is made out of solid metal.
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I got a picture from a gun that Ray House had I tried to get the serial number, but he sold the gun. I think the the stop you made is the early one & the solid one is a little later.
May 2, 2009
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The picture you posted is the early style with a homemade spring in it. It should have the little spring like this one.
Bob
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Bob I took pictures of a cartridge stop from a 1873 22 short rifle it was like the picture I sent you. I made the one in the picture from that pattern. I bereave there were both styles made I wish I had got the serial number of that gun. I am looking for another 1873 gun with that style stop.
May 2, 2009
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Gail,
I looked through some of the 73 documentation I have found in the McCraken Research Library and only find the two types of cartridge stop springs available. The small flat spring (hair pin) and the later one that was made from sheet metal and wraps around the tube. I believe the one that is made from a solid piece of metal is a homemade replacement. I see that happen with these old guns were the parts are no longer available and someone figures out a replacement that works. In the below typed parts price list, the O.S. is Winchester abbreviation for Old Style. The other hand written page is a summary of changes to production.
Bob
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Thanks Bob.
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1873man said
Gail,
I looked through some of the 73 documentation I have found in the McCraken Research Library and only find the two types of cartridge stop springs available. The small flat spring (hair pin) and the later one that was made from sheet metal and wraps around the tube. I believe the one that is made from a solid piece of metal is a homemade replacement. I see that happen with these old guns were the parts are no longer available and someone figures out a replacement that works. In the below typed parts price list, the O.S. is Winchester abbreviation for Old Style. The other hand written page is a summary of changes to production.
Bob
I’m enjoying this thread post, as I’m sure that a few others are, and I find myself, once again in agreement with our 1873, Guru, IMO, “The 1873 Man”, as Bob is second to none, in his research survey, along with TR’s contributions and a few others, that graciously educate all of us. A great aftermarket piece that was done pretty well on a lathe, from some appropriate round stock, and made accordingly.
Many of us have had to act accordingly also, and it’s well worth it. Especially when we can’t find the parts, that’s no longer available, as he stated.
Anthony
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