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Nobody gave me a shotgun. I had to get one my ownself and that has never changed in sixty years. However, it has made me realize you can have more than one.  And six or seven is not too many, either. Or more…

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Nobody gave me a shotgun. I had to get one my ownself and that has never changed in sixty years. However, it has made me realize you can have more than one.  And six or seven is not too many, either. Or more…
  

Zeb, I was only 10 when I got the shotgun.  Everything after that I bought myself. 

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I am definitely in the “Or more…” category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).

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Bert H. said
I am definitely in the “Or more…” category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).
Bert
  

You have an admirable lack of self restraint. 

My own balance tilts the other way: 4 Winchester and 8 Browning. But the fat lady may not have sung yet. 

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I just sold all but 1 of my Berettas and gave my brother our fathers A5.  So I’m down to mostly Winchesters.  But I did say mostly.

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“Mostly” is a useful word but I’ve seen it send folks to Club Fed.  To make full disclosure, one of my Winchesters is a “Parker By Winchester” — it says so on the inside of its case lid. The late Tom Skeuse made a deal with New Haven to get his reproduction Parker built by Olin-Kodensha, so it’s as much a Winchester as a 101, anyway. 

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I’m also the one that interprets can’t to not supposed to.

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Bert H. said
I am definitely in the “Or more…” category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).
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Not sure how many shotguns I have (pretty sure it’s less than 16!) but I’m also pretty sure I have room for one more…or a two-barrel set. Most are Browning Citori’s or post-64 social equipment WINO’s (Winchester In Name Only) so there is room for improvement. 

 

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Zebulon said

Bert H. said
I am definitely in the “Or more…” category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).
Bert
  

You have an admirable lack of self restraint. 
My own balance tilts the other way: 4 Winchester and 8 Browning. But the fat lady may not have sung yet. 
  

This is embarrassing… I somehow forgot to mention the 17th shotgun I have buried in the back of one of my safes.  It is a 1902 production Ithaca Grade 2 Lewis Model 12 gauge SxS with Damascus tubes.  It was my Great Grandfather’s gun, inherited by my father in the late 1950s, and I inherited it from him in 1999. 

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Bert H. said

Zebulon said

Bert H. said
I am definitely in the “Or more…” category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).
Bert
  

You have an admirable lack of self restraint. 
My own balance tilts the other way: 4 Winchester and 8 Browning. But the fat lady may not have sung yet. 
  

This is embarrassing… I somehow forgot to mention the 17th shotgun I have buried in the back of one of my safes.  It is a 1902 production Ithaca Grade 2 Lewis Model 12 gauge SxS with Damascus tubes.  It was my Great Grandfather’s gun, inherited by my father in the late 1950s, and I inherited it from him in 1999. 
Bert
  

Restricted to Quarters until you post at least 3 photos. The Ithaca was the American Purdey and a Grade 2 was not seen every day. 

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Zebulon said

Bert H. said

Zebulon said

Bert H. said
I am definitely in the “Or more…” category.  At last count, I have (16) shotguns, only one of which is not a Winchester (my Auto-5 Light Twenty).
Bert
  

You have an admirable lack of self restraint. 
My own balance tilts the other way: 4 Winchester and 8 Browning. But the fat lady may not have sung yet. 
  

This is embarrassing… I somehow forgot to mention the 17th shotgun I have buried in the back of one of my safes.  It is a 1902 production Ithaca Grade 2 Lewis Model 12 gauge SxS with Damascus tubes.  It was my Great Grandfather’s gun, inherited by my father in the late 1950s, and I inherited it from him in 1999. 
Bert
  

Restricted to Quarters until you post at least 3 photos. The Ithaca was the American Purdey and a Grade 2 was not seen every day. 
  

Bill,

More correctly it would take pulling my “Liberty card”. GRANDPA’S NAVY: Liberty cards, leave passes and meal tickets (grandpasnavy.blogspot.com)

Pictures will have to wait for awhile… I am currently in Oregon (Astoria area) tending to busy work & chores at the homestead, and I do not have any pictures of that old gun (never took any of it).  Due to its age and construction, it sits in the very back corner of my older gun safe (in a protective gun sock).  It has not seen the light of day in at least 20-years now. 

While I have never actually measured it, I believe that it has short 2-5/8″ chambers.  Couple with the old Damascus barrels, I decided long ago that I most likely would not ever try shooting it.  I do know that my dad hunted grouse & pheasant with it in the mid to late 1940s.  He had it on loan from his grandpa when he was still in high-school in Gresham Oregon.

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Bert,  Get it out and fondle it at least!  When you get home of course.  I do not know how or why, but soo many of the guns we talk about wiggle their way to the backs of the gun safe!  The aftermarket modified sight on the 1895 musket in .30-06 is not in the back YET, but far enough back to be a right PIA to get out was I even to try my photographic skills to satisfy that thread from recently.  I’ve a very nice Parker VH that IS in the back that ought to be shot or handled, too!  Tim

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Understood.  I’d hesitate to shoot it as well. Even the best Damascus can develop invisible pinholes and cost some fingers. 

But,  sometime if you will pull that old treasure out and photograph it with your usual thoroughness, give me access to the high res “negatives” and I’ll make you a collage.  I just found my stash of 16×20 photo paper that is going to waste.

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Chuck said
Nice shotgun.  My Dad gave me my first gun in 1960, a Model 12 in 16 ga. made in 1930.  Wish I still had it.
  

Chuck,

I just saw this.  In 1960, I was 16 years old. If I had been given my choice of (a) a 16 gauge Model 12; or (b) a romantic weekend with a Hollywood starlet of my selection……

Of course I’d have opted for the weekend but it would have been only after a considerable period of struggle. 

Your Dad deserved an A+ in Enlightened Fatherhood. 

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Zebulon said

Chuck said
Nice shotgun.  My Dad gave me my first gun in 1960, a Model 12 in 16 ga. made in 1930.  Wish I still had it.
  

Chuck,
I just saw this.  In 1960, I was 16 years old. If I had been given my choice of (a) a 16 gauge Model 12; or (b) a romantic weekend with a Hollywood starlet of my selection……
Of course I’d have opted for the weekend but it would have been only after a considerable period of struggle. 
Your Dad deserved an A+ in Enlightened Fatherhood. 
  

I was just 10.  Girls were not on top of my list then.  Actually they were number 2 at best even when I got a little older.  Having fun with my friends was 1st until I got married. I had one friend that would disappear completely when he got a new girlfriend.  He’s on his 3rd or 4th wife. 

My Dad’s priorities were always, hunting, drinking and women.  He never let drinking or women get in the way of hunting.  He would never drink before or during hunting.  But, when I got to where I could navigate a car he would make me drive so he could drink his beer on the way home. 

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Hunting is considerably less expensive. 

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