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So I bought this 95 which I’m super happy with.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1179653506

and this is the Cody info which lists it as a musket.

Everything looks original and intact to me right down to the 31 stock notches, what do you guys think? Is this an error in the records department or did someone swap out all the parts?

it doesnt matter to me I got it pretty cheap and I’m just hoping to add a few more notches to the stock.

 

WINCHESTER MODEL 1895 – SERIAL NUMBER 9804

Serial number applied on July 01, 1898

Type: Musket

Caliber: 30

Received in warchouse on July 19, 1898

Shipped from warchouse on July 23, 1898, Order number 187

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It most certainly is not in its original Musket configuration, but for $1,100 you did well for a bona fide “antique” Model 1895.  Somebody truly loved & hunted that old rifle! Cool

I just happen to be a true fan of the old 30-40 Krag cartridge.  I own two original Single Shot (high-wall) rifles chambered for it, and a very old Model 1892 Springfield Krag (sporterized) rifle.  As of today, I do not (yet) have a Winchester Model 1895 chambered for it, but it is on my short list of rifles to add to my collection.

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Well,  Somebody with expertise in 1895 lore will have to say whether it could originally have been a full-stocked musket. The barrel is certainly long enough. Whether yes or no, the fact that it wears a Lyman 21 aperture sight certainly helps the value. Those sights bring several hundred dollars all by themselves.  

There’s nothing wrong with the chambering, particularly if you’re a handloader. The 1895 is a strong action design and the 30-40 Krag cartridge was loaded from inception with smokeless powder. There should be a rollmark on your barrel identifying it as being made of a nickel steel alloy.

I don’t mean you can or should load up cartridges beyond SAAMI pressure limits. A rough barrel can increase breech pressures, so be cautious. An eroded barrel typically shoots more accurately with jacketed softpoint ammunition. Unjacketed Lead bullets snag on the rough spots and become unstable. They can also solder and build up lead in the barrel to the point breech pressures become dangerous. If you do shoot cast or swaged lead, inspect the bore and remove lead buildup. 

There are products on the market that are advertised as improving pitted bores. You apply a solution to the bore and let it dry, then shoot jacketed ammo to heat the barrel so the dried material melts into the pits. It hardens into a  ceramic-like plating. I have no idea how effective or expensive it is. 

The good news is you can load spitzer bullet designs to improve downrange performance because the Model 1895 doesn’t have an inline, tubular magazine. 

Because the steel is mostly bare of finish, I would recommend treating it with BreakFree or a similar metal rust preventative that bonds at the molecular level. I would remove the wood furniture and seal the inletting against moisture and oil seepage. If you are reluctant to use a clear epoxy or urethane topcoat for that purpose, at least apply a thick coat of paste wax to the inletting and let dry. Don’t polish it off. In any event, apply paste wax to the exterior wood and polish off, repeating this exterior treatment from time to time, because the wax eventually evaporates with exposure to the air. 

There are certain mechanical points of high friction in a lever action gun that require tiny – I mean minute – dabs of wear-relieving grease, rather than liquid oil.  It should be chemically insensitive to heat so it doesn’t melt into a liquid and migrate into the wood or places where it isn’t needed. I’m going to rely on other members to advise on that subject.  Except to say a very little goes a long way and overdoing is worse than not doing at all. If you can’t restrain yourself, use Ballistol instead. It doesn’t work as well but it won’t damage wood. 

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I like the look of that rifle. I don’t know what would have been involved in converting a musket to its current configuration. It looks like it could have been in sporting configuration from the beginning. Do serial numbers on the rifle and the Cody letter match?

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Bert H. said
It most certainly is not in its original Musket configuration, but for $1,100 you did well for a bona fide “antique” Model 1895.  Somebody truly loved & hunted that old rifle!
I just happen to be a true fan of the old 30-40 Krag cartridge.  I own two original Single Shot (high-wall) rifles chambered for it, and a very old Model 1892 Springfield Krag (sporterized) rifle.  As of today, I do not (yet) have a Winchester Model 1895 chambered for it, but it is on my short list of rifles to add to my collection.
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So my 24 year old son informed me that the serial number is 9304 NOT 9804. I really miss being able to see🙄. I will let you know what the new letter says, feeling kinda dumb right now.

I have 3 of these 30-40’s now and they all shoot factory jacketed bullets really well.

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kevindpm61 said
I like the look of that rifle. I don’t know what would have been involved in converting a musket to its current configuration. It looks like it could have been in sporting configuration from the beginning. Do serial numbers on the rifle and the Cody letter match?
  

Thanks for your post. Even with glasses I saw 9804 not the actual 9304. I’ll post what Cody Museum sends. 

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helidriver72 said

kevindpm61 said
I like the look of that rifle. I don’t know what would have been involved in converting a musket to its current configuration. It looks like it could have been in sporting configuration from the beginning. Do serial numbers on the rifle and the Cody letter match?
  

Thanks for your post. Even with glasses I saw 9804 not the actual 9304. I’ll post what Cody Museum sends. 
  

Don’t feel bad! The seller posted 9804 as well 😁. I am surprised at that price. Big congrats on a great rifle and a great deal!

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Buck1967 said

helidriver72 said

kevindpm61 said
I like the look of that rifle. I don’t know what would have been involved in converting a musket to its current configuration. It looks like it could have been in sporting configuration from the beginning. Do serial numbers on the rifle and the Cody letter match?
  

Thanks for your post. Even with glasses I saw 9804 not the actual 9304. I’ll post what Cody Museum sends. 
  

Don’t feel bad! The seller posted 9804 as well 😁. I am surprised at that price. Big congrats on a great rifle and a great deal!
  

That raises the question if maybe the seller did an inquiry of the wrong serial number and concluded it was a modified musket instead of an original sporting rifle and priced accordingly. Easy mistake, I sometimes find similar errors during annual inventories. Always check the number on the firearm before looking at the inventory record. We sometimes see what we’re looking for.

 

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Concur.  A common mistake of passport control officers and bank tellers – and relied upon by forgers– is to first study the photograph, then look at the person presenting the document. The unconscious tendency of the examiner is to look for points of similarity in the presenter’s face, not points of difference. 

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Glad I could help. That explains a lot. The rifle didn’t look like a converted musket. Can’t wait to see the new info.

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I didn’t see it in the GB photos, but now I’m curious…do you have a good photo of the serial number in question?

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Heres the correct info, I’m pretty excited to see that the Lyman model 21 receiver sight letters. I suspected it would since it had the platinum dots on the yardage marks.

 

WINCHESTER MODEL 1895 – SERIAL NUMBER 9304

Serial number applied on June 14, 1898

Type: Rifle

Caliber: 30

Sights: Lyman receiver and front

Received in warehouse on September 06, 1898

Shipped from warehouse on September 09, 1898, Order number 4873

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Congrats! What do you intend to do with her? She would make a fine hunting rifle.

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kevindpm61 said
Congrats! What do you intend to do with her? She would make a fine hunting rifle.
  

Oh ya thats my plan! Hopin to add a few more notches👍

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helidriver72 said
Heres the correct info, I’m pretty excited to see that the Lyman model 21 receiver sight letters. I suspected it would since it had the platinum dots on the yardage marks.
 
WINCHESTER MODEL 1895 – SERIAL NUMBER 9304
Serial number applied on June 14, 1898
Type: Rifle
Caliber: 30
Sights: Lyman receiver and front
Received in warehouse on September 06, 1898
Shipped from warehouse on September 09, 1898, Order number 4873
  

That is great news. You.scored a real bargain. It’s all right as rain. And shootable, to boot, in a good, useful caliber. For example, the 300 Savage is a fairly flat shooting 30 caliber cartridge for moderate range hunting – say up to around 250 real yards – of big deer. Lots of Elk and Moose have fallen to it and not a few of the big bears. The 30 Krag beats it ballistically, in every way. 

With your kind of luck, you might could hire out as a Casino guide. 

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Congratulations on a good find, even if it’s a bit of a mistake on the seller’s part.  We should all hope for errors to go our way.

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