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November 19, 2006
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Anthony said
steve004 said
Anthony said
Tom,
Steve can be a very big influence here, on many of us.
I know he’s cast a friendly spell on me a few times!
Nice work! Looks like they needed a new home!
Anthony
Tony –
That spell I cast is not a spell of idleness. Feeling the effect?
Oh Great wise one, “You Speak Truth”!
Tony
Well then, “Go Forth and Prosper” (prosper being defined as buying more Winchesters) (preferably in .32 Special and .33 WCF).
February 17, 2022
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Morning all. So it looks like Ian is the winner of “Guess The Problem” today. So it looks like the wood on the deluxe 30wcf has been replaced. I had clear understanding when I bid on it that the checkering had been recut, not a big deal for me. But when I removed the fore stock to investigate the slight amount of wiggle it had, thinking I knew the problem, I discovered this.
Then I decided to remove the butt to verify the assembly number in the tang, which was listed in the description as 5541 xxx. But there wasn’t anything in the inlet of stock. So to keep digging I removed the butt plate to find this
So as you can see these numbers don’t match and there is a set that it tamped out. So it appears to me this wood is replaced and not original to this gun. I will take any of your opinions on this.
September 22, 2011
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oldcrankyyankee said
Morning all. So it looks like Ian is the winner of “Guess The Problem” today. So it looks like the wood on the deluxe 30wcf has been replaced. I had clear understanding when I bid on it that the checkering had been recut, not a big deal for me. But when I removed the fore stock to investigate the slight amount of wiggle it had, thinking I knew the problem, I discovered this.
Then I decided to remove the butt to verify the assembly number in the tang, which was listed in the description as 5541 xxx. But there wasn’t anything in the inlet of stock. So to keep digging I removed the butt plate to find this
So as you can see these numbers don’t match and there is a set that it tamped out. So it appears to me this wood is replaced and not original to this gun. I will take any of your opinions on this.
I agree, it isn’t factory original.
what does it look like the outcome will be? Some auction houses will work with you or even refund your money, others have the policy that you bid on it an win it, it’s yours, irrespective of what you might discover later.
November 7, 2015
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Tom-
I suppose the question is whether or not it was misrepresented. It certainly isn’t what it appeared to be. I reasoned the poor fit of the fore end could have been due to careless re-assembly but Ian’s more critical assessment proved to be accurate. Won’t hurt to voice your concerns with the auction house if you haven’t already. Good luck!
Mike
February 17, 2022
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Well I have called them and we have agreed that this rifle needs a second look. Bad part is I have to take another day off from work to drive to Fairfield maine again. But after talking with Bill /Zebulon I now now have some good lawyer speak. man that guy is great with words! And of course a long convo with the ever famous Bert H and Henry M. I feel they will see my take on this gun.
March 20, 2010
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Just an observation, the forearm looks like its been recently milled judging by the cuts made for the barrel and magazine tube. You normally dont see “rough” wood that should otherwise be fairly smooth, and the lack of oil staining, had it been an advanced age, or even dirt/grime discoloration. The crossed out stamping on the butt, with new stamp placed over the “T” below the “94” is also rather odd. And since both numbers appear to not match the lower tang, would guess one or both were switched out.
Chris
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August 14, 2021
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‘’others have the policy that you bid on it a win it, it’s yours, irrespective of what you might discover later.’’
This. This is the reason I don’t like auction houses, especially when they put limited pictures up. I’ve recently bid on a $1500 K98k that came out the $2000 out the door; after it turned out to be completely restored.
The auction houses description made it sound original, but their disclaimer when bidding completely covered their butt. No returns all sales final you bid on it you win it was the policy.
WHATEVER I GOT A REALLY NICE LOOKING SHOOTER. The way mausers are climbing it’ll be worth that in a few more years anyway.
November 19, 2006
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Steven Gabrielli said
‘’others have the policy that you bid on it a win it, it’s yours, irrespective of what you might discover later.’’
This. This is the reason I don’t like auction houses, especially when they put limited pictures up. I’ve recently bid on a $1500 K98k that came out the $2000 out the door; after it turned out to be completely restored.
The auction houses description made it sound original, but their disclaimer when bidding completely covered their butt. No returns all sales final you bid on it you win it was the policy.
WHATEVER I GOT A REALLY NICE LOOKING SHOOTER. The way mausers are climbing it’ll be worth that in a few more years anyway.
This reminds me of the old adage, “you can never pay too much for a gun, just buy it too early.”
I know there are many here who will not purchase a collectible gun unless they can examine it in the flesh beforehand. I well understand this. I also suspect many came to this stance after unfortunate experiences. To do otherwise is to roll the dice. That’s the nature of dice rolling. Sometimes rolling the dice results in a great outcome. I’ve made many purchases of items I haven’t handled first and been very pleased with the outcome. I’ve had the opposite experience as well. Personally, I don’t enjoy rolling the dice – I derive no thrill from it. On the other hand, sometimes that’s the only path to getting an item I want.
December 21, 2006
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From a sellers point of view, I have a responsibility to be honest with the buyer if I expect to keep a good reputation in the gun circles. In My ads I offer a 100% money back guarantee on described condition, that is to say if the gun is not exactly as I described it , I will send Your money back , excluding shipping or taxes. The process usually goes like this; Buyer sends me a cheque for the agreed on price , I send Buyer the gun. This is done simultaniously so We should get Our respective parcels at app. the same time. If the Buyer finds something I missed on the gun or I over described the condition, I have had this happen a couple of times, We do the reverse, only now I want to see the gun back before I send the refund, I have had a gun returned minus a couple of original sights. I’ve also had one damaged in transit that I offered to take back, but the very gracious Buyer agreed to have it fixed at an ageed on cost. I have also had an auction house take a gun back that had damage/repairs They hadn’t noticed. If You are dealing with a scammer, buying or selling, then You have a very slim chance of coming out on top. Just My thoughts.
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December 9, 2002
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Henry Mero said
From a sellers point of view, I have a responsibility to be honest with the buyer if I expect to keep a good reputation in the gun circles. In My ads I offer a 100% money back guarantee on described condition, that is to say if the gun is not exactly as I described it , I will send Your money back , excluding shipping or taxes. The process usually goes like this; Buyer sends me a cheque for the agreed on price , I send Buyer the gun. This is done simultaniously so We should get Our respective parcels at app. the same time. If the Buyer finds something I missed on the gun or I over described the condition, I have had this happen a couple of times, We do the reverse, only now I want to see the gun back before I send the refund, I have had a gun returned minus a couple of original sights. I’ve also had one damaged in transit that I offered to take back, but the very gracious Buyer agreed to have it fixed at an ageed on cost. I have also had an auction house take a gun back that had damage/repairs They hadn’t noticed. If You are dealing with a scammer, buying or selling, then You have a very slim chance of coming out on top. Just My thoughts.
Henry,
I couldn’t have said it any better! 
Tony
July 8, 2012
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Since we have some 32ws fans here, thought I’d share one of mine.
December 9, 2002
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Al,
That’s beautiful. I’m never surprised when I see one of you’re high condition examples! You have a great eye for a nice Winchester rifle.
Thanks for sharing!
Tony
December 21, 2006
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Very Nice Al, here’s his younger brother;
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July 8, 2012
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Thanks Tony,
Henry that is a real beauty ya got some nice stuff.
Al
March 20, 2010
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Pretty rifles, nothing wrong with the 32 WS, I like them too.
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December 9, 2002
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Henry and Chris,
Thanks for adding those, nice examples also, as we really do enjoy seeing them.
Tony
September 22, 2011
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I have never understood the prejudices against both .32 Special and .33 Winchester. I’ve taken deer with both.
November 19, 2006
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I sure like the way this thread is going. Thanks to all who contributed photos.
March 20, 2010
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mrcvs said
I have never understood the prejudices against both .32 Special and .33 Winchester. I’ve taken deer with both.
Agreed. I load for the 32WS with Speer HotCore bullets and they do a heck of a job.
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November 7, 2015
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mrcvs said
I have never understood the prejudices against both .32 Special and .33 Winchester. I’ve taken deer with both.
The way I look at it these prejudices allow the 32WS aficionado to get more for his money when buying a nice Winchester but he’ll need to work a bit harder to sell it. I don’t own a 33WCF (yet!), I suspect it may be a similar situation but I’m thinking the history is a bit different.
Mike
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