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One of the last from Olin's Winchester- Western Division: A 1980 Winchester Model 70 XTR Magnum (.375 H&H)
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I hadn’t set out to buy a rifle this morning but was invited by Higher Authority to go somewhere so she could have one of her church lady friends over for coffee. She suggested I might even go over to Gunmaster and look around, maybe buy a can of powder or a primer pocket brush….

Reluctantly, after swiping a couple of the lemon scones she’d set out for her impending guest, I drove away and, after clearing the block, put the hammer down for Plano.

My friend and manager, Jerry, was waiting like a spider for the hapless flies that come buzzing around during weekday lunch hours, smiling broadly when I walked in because he scented a possible quick sale, maybe even a twofer. 

The crematoria must have been real busy this Winter because there were some attractive consignments, older guns that had been obviously well-cared for.  Although I don’t collect them, the first thing I noticed was a beautiful Manhurin-built, post WWII Walther PP .22 LR, a 4″ skinny-barreled target pistol for about $900.  Being a friend to all, even dealers, I told him he’ d underpriced it.  

The next thing I saw was a virtually new 1886 Miroku Winchester straight-gripped, Lightweight 45/70 with steel shotgun butt and half magazine — light but well balanced and sighted. Nice Walnut.  About $1100. These Lightweights are not in current production and are just as handy and well-made as the originals. Yes, it had a barely noticeable tang safety but it’s probably the best 45-70 hunting rifle for the real woods made Since 1957.  I felt a strong twinge. 

But then I saw this 99.9% Winchester Model 70 .375 Holland with a set of QC rings and bases that I think are Leupold. [Some of you with knowledge please took at the closeups and tell me if I’m right about the brand or what?]

This is the second end-of-the-bolt Winchester Model 70 I now own, the other being a 98% .458 African, both having been made in late 1980. The quick lookup engines on the Web say this 375 was made in 1981, which is technically after all inventory and work in progress was transferred (legally, not physically) to USRAC but all the provenance marks on metal and rubber say Winchester Repeating Arms.  Both guns are marked as made in New Haven by WRA. The nunc pro tunc transfer date in the sales contract between WRACO and USRAC was 12/31/1980 but the actual closing date was in April of 1981.  

The last several years’ catalog entries from New Haven for the Model 70 are a little confusing. First of all, the company had an acronym, “XTR”, to indicate an extra-high gloss finish on wood and metal. 

The Model 70 African“-not an XTR model, was still being made, essentially by hand, with much of the work subcontracted out to local firms in New Haven. The African was chambered in .458 WinMag only and listed for a whopping $607 USD.

What we think of as the “standard grade” Model 70 had a 22″ barrel, was now called the Model 70 XTR Standard Rifle and listed for $354.

The same gun with 24″barrel and the addition of a black ventilated recoil pad was called The Model 70 XTR Magnum Rifle and was available only in 7mm Remington Magnum, 300 Winchester Magnum, 338 Winchester Magnum, and 375 Holland magnum.  All but the Holland caliber got the “XTR” finish and cost $373 USD.  However, even though the .375 Holland chambering was listed as one of the “XTR Magnum Rifles” at a higher $547 USD, the catalog noted it alone did NOT have the XTR finish.  In fact this .375 has a very elegant satin finish on its Walnut, but has same high polish gloss blue steel as the rest. So what the catalog is pointing out is the stock is not glossy.    Screenshot-2025-03-26-185646.jpgImage Enlarger

What these two rifles mean to me is that, by the late Nineteen Seventies, the Commercial Gun Department of Winchester Repeating Arms, a division of Olin Industries, was really trying hard to regain the trust of its customers and was building excellent quality rifles.  You can’t see it in the catalog photographs but, despite the white line spacers and the angled forearm cap of this .375, the rifle has really good fit and finish. The Walnut stock is inletted well and closely, the sharp borderless checkering is machine cut with hand cleanup, the engine turning on the bolt is cleanly done and attractive, the trigger is crisp and without overtravel, and the wood finish is a handsome low-gloss satin. The pistol grip cap and the forearm cap appear to be made of real Ebony. The magazine follower is made of stainless steel, the blued metal is highly polished and dark. 

The STYLE of this rifle is a leftover from the unfortunate late Sixties but the BUILD QUALITY is as nice as anything I’ve seen in Postwar Winchester Model 70 rifles made before about 1959 and much better than those made between then and 1963, except those out of the Custom Shop. This rifle has the collector-despised push feed action, of course,20250326_133626.jpgImage Enlarger20250326_133655.jpgImage Enlarger20250326_133700.jpgImage Enlarger20250326_133739.jpgImage Enlarger20250326_133827.jpgImage Enlarger20250326_133835.jpgImage Enlarger20250326_133905.jpgImage Enlarger20250326_133953.jpgImage Enlarger20250326_134539.jpgImage Enlarger just like the one in the post-64 African Harry Selby carried for the rest of his career as a PH, after he sold his 416 Rigby to a collector. How bad can it be? 

I like to think this gun is a historical marker of Winchester’s return from Coventry. Having owned a 1966 standard grade Model 70, I think I’m entitled to my opinion.  I’m not sure how much I’ll shoot it but I’ll be surprised if it isn’t very satisfactory at targets.  

- Bill 

 

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Nice score, did you get in trouble for swiping that scone? I believe the rings & bases are consistent with Redfield and Leupold but I’ve never installed the QD version. 

 

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The rings and bases are indeed Leupold.

Nice find, but I wouldn’t be shooting it at the gophers here in Big Sky Country.  I have one 375 H&H (or is it “ouch and ouch”?) and it is mostly for looking at, or carrying in country with marauding grizzly bears.   

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Blue Ridge Parson said
The rings and bases are indeed Leupold.

Nice find, but I wouldn’t be shooting it at the gophers here in Big Sky Country.  I have one 375 H&H (or is it “ouch and ouch?) and it is mostly for looking at, or carrying in country with marauding grizzly bears.   

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A 375 Holland shouldn’t be too light. I haven’t weighed this one yet but the published weight is 8.75 pounds. The steel bases and rings and a scope should add a pound so one could hope for 9.75 all up. With the pad, it shouldn’t be lethal to shoot several rounds. I’m more concerned about the Bausch & Lonb replacement lenses that have given me 20-20 vision since 2011. 

The African really is too light for a .458.  11 pounds wouldn’t be too much for comfort,  I think.   I have no intention to shoot full power loads in it. The gun store Ivory hunters all say the short case holds insufficient powder to be reliable on enraged 100-pound bull elephants. I wouldn’t know but enough shooters whose opinions and experience I respect say the case makes useful cast lead loads at practical velocities for any game found in Texas. Sounds like good fun to me. 

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TXGunNut said
Nice score, did you get in trouble for swiping that scone? I believe the rings & bases are consistent with Redfield and Leupold but I’ve never installed the QD version. 

 

Mike

  

Scones, plural.  Only one would leave a man unbalanced and apt to fall.

The Parson says Leupold and I agree. Twiddle the stubby levers and the posts come out of the bases like uprooted turnips.  Spendy little buggers and tedious to fit if the gun’s mounting holes are not all precisely located to make the center of the scope lens coincident and parallel with the line of the bore. 

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Bill – 

Congratulations on your acquisition.  It’s amazing the mischief a fellow can get into if he slips out of the house.  I’m not much of a post-63 buyer but your post prompted me to realize I’m halfway there:

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That is, I have one-half of a post-63 M70 .375 H&H

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This is a custom rifle I have, built with a Jeffrey style stock.  Dennis Olson from Montana did the action work and turned a military Mauser action into a flawless feeding .375 H&H.  The barrel is a standard M70 .375 H&H barrel.  The rifle is a tack-driver.

I want to comment on the .375 H&H cartridge.  I experience this cartridge as a handloader.  It is tremendously versatile.  In another thread we commented on the .458 Winchester magnum.  I have had several .458 and as a handloader, and can duplicate .45-70 trapdoor loads all the way up to full power loads that duplicate factory ballistics.

The .375 H&H can be easily turned into a .38-55.  I don’t do much lead bullet shooting with my .375.  The .375 235 grain Speer bullet up to 300 and even 350 grain jacketed bullets are available.  In my .375 I shoot 270 grain and 300 grain Hornady’s but my main go-to bullet is the 235 grain Speer – loaded with Trail Noss!  Go to Hodgdon site and see the nice variety of Trail Boss jacketed bullet loads they have for various high power cartridges.  The .375 included.  Believe me, with this load in my .375 there is no ouch involved.  Wonderful to shoot and accurate.  It would make a very fine whitetail deer load.

https://hodgdonpowderco.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/trail-boss-reduced-loads-2018-2.pdf

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Some of you may have noticed that on my above pictured (half Winchester) rifle, I did stick with the Winchester design theme as I had a Gentry 3-position safety installed Smile

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What I want in a safety, foremost, is the firing pin assembly blocked. Directly,  as the Model 70  and original military Mauser both do. 

Not indirectly by blocking the sear or the trigger. These can be overridden by a violent jolt, particularly as parts wear. 

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