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September 5, 2022 - 10:45 pm
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Been sitting here, bored with the rain so thought I would try posting a picture or two. This is the latest addition to The Cabinet, An ELW 86 in 45-70. IMG_0271-1.JPGImage EnlargerIMG_0272-1.JPGImage Enlarger 

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That’s beautiful!  And it is really my kind of gun.  I’m different than most of the pack – I would take this one over an octagon barrel crescent butt rifle Embarassed

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Thanks Steve, as always I apricate your thoughts. I love this one, lettered as it sits with factory screw eyes, with a letter from the Winchester museum dated 1968 and signed by Mr. T.E.Hall. Wish all my 86’s looked this good!  

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That’s a beauty, and in excellent condition.  I like that it letters with the screw eyes.

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oldcrankyyankee said I love this one, lettered as it sits with factory screw eyes, with a letter from the Winchester museum dated 1968 and signed by Mr. T.E.Hall. 
  

It was Tom Hall who patiently answered inquiries from a junior-high kid I faintly remember…myself.  That would have been quite a number of years before ’68.

Nothing impresses me more on any vintage rifle than the sling swivel option, because when you see them, you can be pretty sure that rifle belonged to a serious hunter.  (That opinion is confirmed by the SG BP.)  Have you never picked up any “S” hook swivels to go with it?  I have installed the eyes & hooks on several rifles I hunt with, & promise you they are as functional as modern swivels, & even quicker to disengage than modern OD swivels.

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Well Clarence Mr.Hall clearly taught you correctly, as I have sat here and had you answer a good many questions. Along with a good many others here, and I thank you and all for the lessons taught. But in regards to the S hooks< I have not put any on it. I passed on a set of them just a few days ago as they went for to much$ and did not do justice to my rifle. Someday I find a set that does her right.

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It is indeed a very wonderful Model 1886 ELW, and in super condition.  If you find a nice set of original J-hooks for it, don’t get concerned about the price… just buy them.

I own one Single Shot rifle that has factory sling eyes on it and found an original set of J-hook slings to put on it… still looking for a period correct (late 1880s) leather sling). It is the top rifle in the picture below.

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oldcrankyyankee said
Well Clarence Mr.Hall clearly taught you correctly, as I have sat here and had you answer a good many questions. Along with a good many others here, and I thank you and all for the lessons taught. But in regards to the S hooks< I have not put any on it. I passed on a set of them just a few days ago as they went for to much$ and did not do justice to my rifle. Someday I find a set that does her right.

  

Here’s a set of J hooks on GI. Pretty reasonably priced too.

https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/parts-ammo-accessories/accessories-american/original-winchester-delux-fishhook-sling-swivels.cfm?gun_id=101958324

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deerhunter saidHere’s a set of J hooks on GI. Pretty reasonably priced too.https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/parts-ammo-accessories/accessories-american/original-winchester-delux-fishhook-sling-swivels.cfm?gun_id=101958324 

Believe they are repros, but at that price, it would be smart to buy them anyway.  For a time about 20 yrs ago, the repros were constantly listed on ebay, but not any more, as when they occasionally show up now, price is usually $75 or more!  Difference between repros & originals is subtle: the end of the hook on originals is more pointed & flares outward, whereas that of the repros is more blunt & parallel to shank; all in all, however, the repros are pretty well done.  (Buckingham’s was the first to advertise them, but later others did so too; where & by whom they were produced is a mystery, as is the maker of the originals, which were offered by several different gunmakers.)

As for an original strap & buckle, it would be a miracle to find one. (You know that’s true if Bert’s still looking!)  The strap is easy to make (I’ve made several), but the buckle has to be improvised.

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How can one tell the difference between the reproduction sling hooks and the original sling hooks?  Over the years I have acquired a couple of sets and they all seem to be identical.  The original buckles are easily identified.  RDB

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How can one tell the difference between the reproduction sling hooks and the original sling hooks? 

  

Roger,  didn’t you read my previous explanation?  Like I said, the difference doesn’t slap you in the face.  Not hard to see if you have an original side by side with a repro, but repros outnumber originals 100 to 1.  Maybe someone having one of each could post a side by side photo. 

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Well Done…………….

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The J-hooks I passed on may have be repo’s too…. But they were damn close to the originals just had zero blue. The ones on GB look very similar just a little thick at the taper end . Maybe I go for it. they would look good on this 86.

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So while I have everyones attention. Major opinion question. Found an 86 I have been looking for…. But it is not in the letterble range as it is 147079A . I think the guy wants to much based on condition, which is not bad, just average. So the nuts and bolts here, does anyone know this gun, has it been surveyed before? I already emailed Cody so thats out . I’m down to asking the pro’s. No the gun is not local so I cant go see it, at this point it’s buyer beware and just dont want to burn on this.  

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As Col. Ludlow said” screw em” I just bought the J-Hooks. Just money, don’t have much now, gonna have alot less tmmo!

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oldcrankyyankee said
As Col. Ludlow said” screw em” I just bought the J-Hooks. Just money, don’t have much now, gonna have alot less tmmo!

  

I’m surprised they lasted long enough at that price for you to be able to buy them!  I’d have bought them myself if I didn’t have 3 sets I bought back when they were common on ebay.

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So while I have everyones attention. Major opinion question. Found an 86 I have been looking for…. But it is not in the letterble range as it is 147079A . I think the guy wants to much based on condition, which is not bad, just average. So the nuts and bolts here, does anyone know this gun, has it been surveyed before? I already emailed Cody so thats out . I’m down to asking the pro’s. No the gun is not local so I cant go see it, at this point it’s buyer beware and just dont want to burn on this.  

  

I have it in the late production Model 1886 survey, but I did not record where I saw it or who had it.  It is a Solid frame ELW in 45-90 WCF, standard configuration except for the cartridge chambering.

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Thank you Bert. I am some what skeptical of this one. They are hard to find in this caliber b.ut at least it is in your survey as it is advertised. Now the decision.

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I’m sorry to ask you. Do you happen to know when it was recorded in your survey. The claim to fame on this one is it came from Scandinavia.  Thanks in advance

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I’m sorry to ask you. Do you happen to know when it was recorded in your survey. The claim to fame on this one is it came from Scandinavia.  Thanks in advance

  

I do not have the exact date, but it was added to the survey sometime after March 27th, 2020 and on or before May 13th, 2020.  

That is an irrelevant “claim to fame” and adds absolutely nothing to the value.

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