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AR’s banned in Canada
May 1, 2020
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Effective immediately AR style rifles & 1500 variants are now banned in Canada.
Maybe levers will rise in value now, at least in Canada.

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Effective immediately AR style rifles & 1500 variants are now banned in Canada.
Maybe levers will rise in value now, at least in Canada.

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Not likely... the criminals and Tweakers are very unlikely to shift their focus to "old fashioned" lever-action Winchesters.  The Black Market values for the AR style rifles will undoubtedly get a boost.

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The Nova Scotia shooter didn't use an AR!  I think he used a Glock.  But that's irrelevant, as that pathetic douche-bag Premier had already proposed new restrictions even before this tragedy.  Not only AR types are to be banned--a long list of sporting semi-autos are included.

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I’m in total agreement Clarence. And a good point made by Bert.
Our grandchildren will be lucky to own a BB gun in a few short years. Heck, probably ourselves.

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We have been fighting this stuff for years in Ca.  My AR's are currently legal after being modified after each attempt to get rid of them.  But, because of this I am building a bolt action target gun just in case.  People need to watch what we and the Canadians are up against because many will copy what is happening here and there.

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From the CBC national news, effective immediately “They cannot be sold traded used or transported“.

Done deal for any law abiding citizens. Might be a lot of new non law abiding citizens in Canada now.

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Might be a lot of new non law abiding citizens in Canada now.

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When guns are outlawed . . .

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Will the douche-bag try to apply this on autonomous (supposedly) Tribal lands?  Native hunters love the AR clones, when they can get them.

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Will the douche-bag try to apply this on autonomous (supposedly) Tribal lands?  Native hunters love the AR clones, when they can get them.  

Nope. From what I’ve been viewing and reading, prime minister dolt & his lambs don’t have the fortitude to mess with indigenous people. There are special circumstances for tribal lands.

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Will the douche-bag try to apply this on autonomous (supposedly) Tribal lands?  Native hunters love the AR clones, when they can get them.  

clarence , Regardless of how many fellow Canadians are as disappointed with our Prime Minister as I truly am I  am reasonable certain you would be as offended as I am if I called the duly elected president of the USA a "douche bag" on this forum which despite my (or your opinion of him)  I would never do. 

Ths Order-in- Council, which has been in the works for years , is perfectly timed to coincide with Canadians trying to come to terms with the terrible tragedy in Nova Scotia when a majority of the urban citizenry are leaning towards anti gun sentiment. Mass murders are not common in this country and coming on top of the anxiety many are feeling over the pandemic it is politically propitious to appear to be protecting Canadians from lunatic shooters with semi auto weapons. To my knowledge the RCMP  have never revealed what specific makes or models of guns the shooter used. We do know that he didn't have a permit to own firearms and several of the guns he possessed were illegally acquired in the USA. He likely took the pistol and patrol carbine from the fallen RCMP he murdered so they may be the semi automatic guns that are referred to. It wouldn't much support this draconian property seizure of "military style assault rifles" from legal law abiding gun owners if it were the case he only possessed a duck hunting shotgun prior to shooting the police officer hence the lack of transparency on the part of the national police force. 

As far as the pending AR and many similar  so called "assault rifles" I have a feeling that there are going to be many upset canoes in the near future from hunters who have lost their AR's  in lakes and rivers. Only the restricted firearms are traceable so I suspect many more will be hidden away in the hopes this legislation is repealed. I am not that optimistic. I am sorry to see the reliable and excellent Ruger Mini 14 on the list. I carried one for several years as a "predator gun" during my game warden career and it is primarily a hunting firearm but unfortunately was the model used in the 1989 murder of 14 women in Montreal.

From my cursory reading of the actually legislation it appears that anyone with a non restricted firearm named in this ban (AR's are restricted)  may continue to use the gun for hunting purposes. The exception for those whose rights are protected by the Constitution (Inuit, Metis etc.) will be subject to more consultation at the end of the two year amnesty period to determine if a longer period is necessary. Many of these people living in the far north depend on hunting as a primary source of food and may not have the financial means to acquire a replacement gun hence the possible delay. 

A sad day for legal gun owners.

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The Nova Scotia shooter didn't use an AR!  I think he used a Glock.  But that's irrelevant, as that pathetic douche-bag Premier had already proposed new restrictions even before this tragedy.  Not only AR types are to be banned--a long list of sporting semi-autos are included.  

 I believe you are getting the Premier of a Province mixed up with the Prime Minister of the country.

The  ban or AR type firearms was to be brought in long before the shooting.The covid 19 virus out break ,put it on the back burner for awhile.The shootings just expedited it back to the front.

 A recent poll of Canadians showed 63 % agreed with the ban,11 % felt it not restrictive enough,22 % too restrictive and 4 % did not know.So 74 % favour it ,while just 26 % oppose it or do not care one way or the other.Also roughly half of urban Canadians support, "a full ban of all firearms".With numbers like that ,it is not hard to see a government wanting to get elected,what side they would favour.

 

 Not that I agree with it,as it does not address the real problem of illegal firearms crossing a very porous border from the U.S.However ,that would be almost impossible to stop and they know it.So put bans on legal gun owners, that can be done ,and make it look like you have or are trying to do something and the vast majority of people in the country,according to all the polls I have seen,will support you.

 You have to keep in mind, that unlike in the U.S,where firearm ownership is a right, in Canada it is a privilege  .

 

 Just my thoughts and opinions on the subject.Smile

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Effective immediately AR style rifles & 1500 variants are now banned in Canada.
Maybe levers will rise in value now, at least in Canada.

AG  

Let's get back to WINCHESTERS.

Regarding value - Not likely.

Keep in mind the "Lunatic" who shot and killed the Honour Guard at our National War Memorial and shot up our Federal Parliament Buildings ( before being  killed by the Sergeant-at-Arms ) a few years ago, He did all this with a 30-30 WCF Winchester Model 94.

This did not go un-noticed by the Federal Government.

Lever Action Repeating Rifles are also on the "List" because of their High Capacity Magazines.

Yesterdays Order In Council AR-Ban was only Step #1 - they're coming back for more.

The Federal Public Safety Minister said so on CBC's Power & Politics broadcast at 5:00 pm. ET - indicating additional New Handgun Legislation is coming.

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If that’s true I wouldn’t want to be holding onto too many. Im sure the Canadian Govt proposed buy back program isn’t shelling out 50k for an antique Winchester. What next? Ban on vehicles used in murders.

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 Yes I remember the shoot up.Even the police said, the Model 94 would not  be the first weapon of choice ,for some one out to inflect mass damage.The rifle has a limited capacity ,   7 shots and is very slow to reload.Not saying it could not be done,but there are far better choices for some one out to do mass damage Smile.

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If that’s true I wouldn’t want to be holding onto too many. Im sure the Canadian Govt proposed buy back program isn’t shelling out 50k for an antique Winchester. What next? Ban on vehicles used in murders.  

The Liberal Gov't Agenda is THE ELIMINATION OF PRIVATE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP AND POSSESSION IN CANADA.

I've said this for years, but nobody would listen.

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 Yes I remember the shoot up.Even the police said, the Model 94 would not  be the first weapon of choice ,for some one out to inflect mass damage.The rifle has a limited capacity ,   7 shots and is very slow to reload.Not saying it could not be done,but there are far better choices for some one out to do mass damage Smile.  

Well, in Canada the Maximum Allowable Magazine Capacity in Semi-Auto Rifles is 5 shots.

They (The Gov't.) consider anything above that "High Capacity".

What we think doesn't matter - Yesterdays announcement indicates that.

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AG said
If that’s true I wouldn’t want to be holding onto too many. Im sure the Canadian Govt proposed buy back program isn’t shelling out 50k for an antique Winchester. What next? Ban on vehicles used in murders.  

The Liberal Gov't Agenda is THE ELIMINATION OF PRIVATE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP AND POSSESSION IN CANADA.  

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If that’s true I wouldn’t want to be holding onto too many. Im sure the Canadian Govt proposed buy back program isn’t shelling out 50k for an antique Winchester. What next? Ban on vehicles used in murders.  

The Liberal Gov't Agenda is THE ELIMINATION OF PRIVATE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP AND POSSESSION IN CANADA.  

Wow. Well hopefully that Liberal Govt won’t be re elected & the next govt will change or rescind the order.

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Going back to My original thoughts, I'm coming up 72, I will be keeping My handguns and lever guns and whatever other guns I happen to have. Those who will may come and take My property, or they may take My freedom, but not without a fight. At 72 the prospect of spending the rest of My life in jail is not as daunting as it was when I was 35. I like to think that somewhere along the way someone in the upper eschelons of gov't will come to their senses and realize that You can take only so many freedoms and liberties from a free society before that society revolts. Freedom is not free, if You asked My old man , a 6 Year WW2 veteran, or any of the thousands of other veterans who fought for freedom what the cost is, I'm sure they'ed tell You it's not free. I have never owned (by choice ), an "assault" rifle, I don't think they are handsome, I'm a cowboy, not a mercinary, but I resent  having to give  up My right to own one based on the actions of one lunatic that used one in a gang related gun fight in Canada, or by their maniacal use by a few individuals in another country, (the U.S.). These actions tell Me that My gov't is not compitant in  that they base their decisions on the actions  of a few maniacs and  and circumstances in foreign countries. I could go on and on but I've vented enough on this topic.  Does any one have an assault Win. Mod.'95  Russian musket for sale reasonable?

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If that’s true I wouldn’t want to be holding onto too many. Im sure the Canadian Govt proposed buy back program isn’t shelling out 50k for an antique Winchester. What next? Ban on vehicles used in murders.  

The Liberal Gov't Agenda is THE ELIMINATION OF PRIVATE FIREARMS OWNERSHIP AND POSSESSION IN CANADA.

I've said this for years, but nobody would listen.  

The more I think about this, that would mean no more hunting, no more gun clubs, no more shooting ranges, no more skeet & trap clubs, not to mention ammunition &
accessory sales & the employees etc.

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 Yes I remember the shoot up.Even the police said, the Model 94 would not  be the first weapon of choice ,for some one out to inflect mass damage.The rifle has a limited capacity ,   7 shots and is very slow to reload.Not saying it could not be done,but there are far better choices for some one out to do mass damage Smile.  

Well, in Canada the Maximum Allowable Magazine Capacity in Semi-Auto Rifles is 5 shots.

They (The Gov't.) consider anything above that "High Capacity".

What we think doesn't matter - Yesterdays announcement indicates that.  

 Yes ,5 shot for a self loader,but no limit on other types of long firearms.

   I posted before with some percentage numbers, there are far more in favour of more firearms laws ,than are for no more or less.

What I believe, we as firearms owners have to do to, is to try to change peoples views on firearm ownership.This will take time and patience on our part.We have to stay calm and talk in a logical calm manner, to those who are opposed to firearms .It will not be possible to change every ones opinion,but we do not have to change every ones opinion.We need just enough to swing  some of the "swing"  in the 74 % mentioned above, to the not against firearms side.If not ,as I stated before, any government that wants to get elected will listen to the 74 % who want more firearms laws,not the 26% who do not want it or do not care one way or the other.Remember, half the people living in urban areas at the present time want "a full ban on all firearms" and there are a lot more votes to get obtained in urban areas than other places.

 

 We have to stay calm and not go off half cocked, ranting and raving .The ranting and raving only makes gun owners look crazy, to those who want more gun control,which happen to be the majority at the present time and adds more to their poor views of gun owners in general.

 

 Again just my thoughts on the subject.Smile

 

 Just wanted to add ,I doubt very much if anyone will come to take your firearms.There will likely be a buy back if you choose or there will be a grandfather clause in the law,to keep firearms you already own.

 

 Just my thoughts.Smile

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