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April 3, 2018
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Tim:
We need to get together out west. There is a building now at Ft. Huachuca named for one of our MI branch MACVSOG LTs who won the MOH on a SOG mission. I was with this MACVSOG bunch in I-Corps in 1971 at KheSanh. Very easy area to gain a PH and CIB. Knowing my roots, my branch is still SF.
I assisted that AZ Border Patrol Agent, Carl Sanders, in developing 33 WCF cartridges by reforming 45-70 brass. I recommend the 210 Noslers as the lead tip can be removed getting bullet weight down closer to 200 grs. Plus the Partition bullet is guaranteed to penetrate at 33 Winchester velocities on elk or the occasional grizzly that might wander into a campsite. The twist rate of the 33WCF in Winchester 86 barrels is 1 in 12.
The reason that some 1886 barrels are rougher than others is due to the Winchester primers used in the 1900s up until probably the 1930s. The Winchester primers early on were mercuric, and the salts of mercuric primers are very corrosive in rifle bores. “Moose milk’, or an oil/water mix used by muzzle loaders will dissolve those salts rendering the bore ready for a light coat of quality gun oil. I have some boxes of original 1920s Winchester 33 WCF ammunition, but it is too valuable to shoot and probably is of a lot with mercuric primers. For slightly worn or older used 1886 barrel bores, I REALLY recommend Hawk 200 gr FP bullets.They are soft annealed jackets and act like bonded bullets, while sealing/obturating to prevent hot gas erosion effects within the barrel bore.
The small Paco Kelly’s Leverguns site has also recently seen some 33 WCF discussion. Small wonder as there are Winchester and Marlin rifles out there whose owners do not have 33 WCF cartridges, and some also are somewhat challenged as to reforming and reloading ammunition. If these owners are frustrated to the point of selling their rifles, I stand ready to assist.
November 19, 2006
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450 Fuller said
Tim:
We need to get together out west. There is a building now at Ft. Huachuca named for one of our MI branch MACVSOG LTs who won the MOH on a SOG mission. I was with this MACVSOG bunch in I-Corps in 1971 at KheSanh. Very easy area to gain a PH and CIB. Knowing my roots, my branch is still SF.
I assisted that AZ Border Patrol Agent, Carl Sanders, in developing 33 WCF cartridges by reforming 45-70 brass. I recommend the 210 Noslers as the lead tip can be removed getting bullet weight down closer to 200 grs. Plus the Partition bullet is guaranteed to penetrate at 33 Winchester velocities on elk or the occasional grizzly that might wander into a campsite. The twist rate of the 33WCF in Winchester 86 barrels is 1 in 12.
The reason that some 1886 barrels are rougher than others is due to the Winchester primers used in the 1900s up until probably the 1930s. The Winchester primers early on were mercuric, and the salts of mercuric primers are very corrosive in rifle bores. “Moose milk’, or an oil/water mix used by muzzle loaders will dissolve those salts rendering the bore ready for a light coat of quality gun oil. I have some boxes of original 1920s Winchester 33 WCF ammunition, but it is too valuable to shoot and probably is of a lot with mercuric primers. For slightly worn or older used 1886 barrel bores, I REALLY recommend Hawk 200 gr FP bullets.They are soft annealed jackets and act like bonded bullets, while sealing/obturating to prevent hot gas erosion effects within the barrel bore.
The small Paco Kelly’s Leverguns site has also recently seen some 33 WCF discussion. Small wonder as there are Winchester and Marlin rifles out there whose owners do not have 33 WCF cartridges, and some also are somewhat challenged as to reforming and reloading ammunition. If these owners are frustrated to the point of selling their rifles, I stand ready to assist.
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September 19, 2014
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450 Fuller, you sorely temp me! But it is hard enough getting away now to attend Cody. I will say “some day, maybe” with out being very serious. But do have hopes of doing such before I am altogether too old. Tim
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