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Wood and metal cleaning tips, not a full restoration
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Ok I am finally making some progress. Way too much work stuff and no play. Frown

Please take a look and let know what you think. Sorry for the indoor pic’s. I wanted to take a few in day light sun but it has been raining.

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This is after 5 coats of the 50/50 tung oil/ mineral spirits. To be honest with you for the first 3 coats I was not applying correctly. After some reading and experience I realized I was not rubbing in the solution hard enough as some indicate to the point where you create heat friction proceeded by wiping with a clean cotton cloth.

Basically the more elbow grease the better my results were.

Wayne,

Also I was very concerned with loss of the original red stain tint and starting reading up on the subject. I will let you guys let me know but I believe I have retained enough reddish tint that this one should be ok. I did read back on another forum called “Alkanet Colored Oil Finish” where you were experiencing with a 1oz. 50% tung oil/50% mineral spirits with 1/2 teaspoon of powdered alkanet root solution.

Do you use the alkanet version on projects like this one?

After you guys referred me to Mike Hunter’s Winchester Wood Finishes article in the Winchester Collector club magazine I sent an email inquiry and Trish Smith contacted me and is sending me a back dated copy. I read the article several times and just had to have a print copy. Mike’s research and analysis makes a lot a sense to me. BTW the 1894 rifle, boots and saddle on the cover are her dad’s. Pretty cool! Beautiful rifle and with family history, those are the best ones. Smile

Thanks for your help,

Phil  

Here’s a project I just finished yesterday.  After a complete disassembly, I only cleaned the metal.  The wood had a very shiny coat of lacquer, which I completely removed.  Then I soaked the wood in mineral spirits for 2 days to completely remove grime and oil, after which the wood hung for 2 more days to dry.  Then I steamed out a couple of dents (have never been able to completely raise the dents but they always improve some).  Only 2 coats of tung oil were applied to this project, as shiny wood wouldn’t go with the plum patina of the barrel.DSCN1545.JPGImage EnlargerDSCN1548.JPGImage Enlarger

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BTW:  This is what the wood looked like before I started:

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Thanks Michael and Wayne.

Michael same here I was very concerned with being too light and lacking the original red tint but after watching your project I had the same approach and I am very happy with the results. I have learned that the more elbow grease the better the result.

I did notice the grain and thought about some type of way of smoothing the surface but that is way out of my league therefore I would have to get some input from our pro’s here. I am scared to death of using any type of sanding method.

Wayne thank for you input as well. I am also concerned with the glossy look. The last time we had some real sun light I checked the wood outside and I do not recall having that much shine. Viewing from my opti viser I am wondering if the course wood fibers are causing the shine. Not sure if you can see with close up wood fibers from this pic.

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Also wow very nice piece there, beautiful. From those pic’s I am starting to understand the concept of the matching the patina metal with the wood. It gives an overall smooth aged look.

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I had a chance to take a few shots outdoors. Considering the amount of oil/grime that was soaked into the wood I am pretty pleased with results.

Wayne it does appear even in the sun light that I have a little too much of a glossy effect going on.

Do you know the best way I could knock some of the shine down?

Also does anyone advise if I should smooth the grain a little with some type of sanding or compound method or just leave well enough alone?

Phil

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Phil:

First of all, nice job on the wood.  Personally, I agree that there is a little too much luster to the wood, considering it’s age and the condition of the rifle’s metal, but not too much.

There is nothing that will remove cured tung oil, short of sanding.  Some 0000 steel wool or hand rubbing some rotten stone might knock town the sheen some, but that will produce a satin finish.  I wouldn’t touch that stock with sandpaper.  If you do some light sanding, avoiding all edges of the wood, the sanded part will become lighter than the rest of the wood and then you’ll really have to put some more stain on it to try and blend in the colors.  Besides, the minor dents and blemishes are part of the character of the century old wood and blend in nicely with the rest of the rifle.

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I think it turned out quite well, good job! Can’t say about the gloss, maybe a bit much but if you are going to use the gun maybe that will take care of itself.

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Thanks Wayne and Michael.

I may try making a few passes with 0000 steel wool to try and tone down the shine. Other than that I will probably start assembling the rifle back together. I wanted to keep as much natural aged beauty that I could. The rifle was in really bad shape when I bought it but from what I can tell it was a true working man’s rifle so that is why I did not try and raise any of the dents or try and fix any of the scratches.

As soon as I get it together I will post the final pics with a recap of what methods were used as well as what parts I had to replace.

Also for all my future Winchester projects I will definitely be using the Tung 50/50 mineral spirits and alkanet root mixture. Wayne after reading about your experiences, Mike Hunter article and other articles that utilize the same type of approach/blend, even a few of them were from old school gunsmiths in England and Ireland that wrote about the same type of bends.

Wayne is there any particular source that you purchase your powdered alkanet root from? Also do you premix and let age? I read a few articles that indicated that they do age the mixture. Not sure if they mix the Tung oil with the powdered alkanet root for aging and then when ready to use mix in the mineral spirits or not.

Thanks again for everyone’s help.

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Will enjoy looking at your finished product, Phil.

I think all the aging of alkanet in the mixture is simply “comfort” talk.  I have always mixed mine when needed and used it immediately.

As to the source of alkanet, I think I got mine from eBay a few years ago, but 4 oz. lasts forever.  Will check my records and get back to you on that.

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Phil:

I got my alkanet powder from Vienna Imports on eBay.  They currently don’t have it listed but many others do.  Look closely at the photos and make sure you are getting a powder.  Many of the ones currently listed appear to be finely ground, but not powder.  I’m pretty sure that powder will dissolve more color into the solution than a ground product.  This one looked best to me, from their photos but check for yourself:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-oz-ALKANET-ROOT-POWDER-Batschia-canescens/322176971301?hash=item4b033e7225:g:Gz0AAOSwvg9Xd0em.

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Thanks Wayne for the input and advice.

Also for the alkanet lead, I just bought some.

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Looking forward to seeing the finished product, Phil. I agree with you about leaving the “character” in the wood. Removing the dents and scratches would change the whole personality of the rifle.

Very nice 1886, Wayne. Very nice.

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Just got in an 1885 High Wall stock and #3 forearm to refurbish a decent 32-40 antique that has a near 10 bore but the wood looked like it was left out in a barn and the wrist had a huge bolt inserted through it.  The new stock has been soaking in mineral spirits overnight.  Once it is cleaned up and refurbished I’ll post photos.-Wincacher

 

Looking forward to following this project.

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Wayne,

Wow you knocked it out of the ball park or should I say bulls eyed it out of the park.

Beautiful, nice work!

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Very nice, Wayne. Thanks for posting the update on your project. I can’t imagine a better outcome for this rifle. Nicely done!

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