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Hello everyone! 

I’m extremely new to both Internet forums and restoring rifles so this is going to be interesting.

I recently inherited my great-great grandfather’s model 1873 rifle in 44WCF. This rifle has unfortunately been well loved by my family over the years and therefore needs some work. As far as I can tell, the rifle is in good functional order. It will cycle with ease and has very minor rust on some internal components and slightly heavier rusting on the butt plate. The stock is well worn and chipped in some areas and the front sight has some damage where it is mounted to the barrel. 

I would like to get this rifle restored to the best of my ability but have very little confidence in my ability to redo the bluing. I have however begun the process of fixing some minor issues with the help of YouTube. If anyone knows of anyone located near the Texas Panhandle who has experience with redoing the bluing it would be much appreciated! 

All other tips and tricks would be helpful and very much appreciated. Thank you and I’m happy to be apart of what seems to be such a great community!

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Before you get too carried away post several good pictures of it so I can see what condition its in now. The Gun my be worth more in original condition but once its fixed up it looses it appeal and is actually worth less. If your having problems posting pictures you can email them to me.

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Let me second Bob’s good advice.  What may seem like a deteriorated condition is actually the factory original condition of the rifle with only some expected changes from use and time. If your Winchester is in working mechanical condition after all this time and has only a few cosmetic flaws, having it reblued would not only be a travesty and the ruination of an honest collectible rifle but would wipe away most of its sale value. 

There are things you can do to preserve the rifle and save it from further deterioration, even keep or make it shootable again, without harming it for the future. 

You have come to the right place for sound, honest consultation and advice for free, from some of the World’s most learned experts. I’m not one of them but they are here and will help you. 

As Bob says, the Forum needs photos. I will say the more the better. And don’t do anything with or to it except wipe it and its bore with a good gun oil. Or something that won’t rot the wood Do not try to remove the rust with an abrasive. Aggressive “cleaning” can destroy thousands of dollars, in some cases.  

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I’m not meaning to crack open the debate container over “leave it original” vs. “restore it for future generations”…there’s arguments for both.

If it were far enough along in terms of degradation (yes, pics please…) AND is the family heirloom you say it is, I would not attempt a first-timer DIY restoration on such an important gun. My advice in that case would be to have a professional do the finishing and only do the parts you’re comfortable with.

I have been learning those techniques and repairs on non-important guns that were of little collector value. But in my mind, a gun from a great-great-grandfather is one of significant value, even if only family value.

I’d like to see your journey with it whatever you decide!

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Jeremy is right, too.  There are several professional restoration houses that can make your ancestral Winchester like it was when it left New Haven.  The two I know of are Turnbull Restorations of Bloomfield, NY and Wyoming Armory. Jeremy can tell you more but I can at least tell you these two firms do dead cold historically correct work that is necessarily labor intensive. They are customer friendly and will work with you in making sure you get what you want. What they aren’t is cheap or rushed but, in my opinion, their work is as good as it gets.  

If the rifle has been taken care of but seen use, it may not take as much effort. However, in order to avoid disaster, you need to know what to do and what not to do.  Even very competent, well-trained gunsmiths capable of doing excellent work, for the most part don’t know what they should not do to an original Winchester Model 1873. 

All of us agree on one thing:  the Forum needs to see a lot of the gun to give you worthwhile advice. Before you do anything, please post as many images as you can stand to make.  If you will do that, I promise you will get full measure and overflowing in return. Any and all of which you are free to ignore. 

But, as a capo mafioso would put it:  “I’m jus’ sayin’, why take a chance?”

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I can truly appreciate the comments here from the knowledgeable, and experienced members here.

Without repeating everything that was said, let me back up what Bob said, as one of the model 73 foremost experts,  and his many years of collecting through experience. Sending pictures to Bob, if you can’t post them, as you won’t be guided in the wrong direction.

For reference, I had an older gentleman, collector/hobbyist friend, with a similar situation, that wanted to, “clean up”, in his words, an older original Winchester, and seeing what he liked to do, with many other firearms, one thing always lead to the other as, ‘I’m just gonna freshen it up”, always turned into a ruing of many a nice original guns. He knew my desire for the older original Winchesters and asked my opinion, as I explained to him, it’s character and how nice it was the way it was. I convinced him to buy a replica, or modern day version of what he had, and hang it up next to it for comparison, as he wasn’t interested in spending,”the high buck”, in his words, to have it restored professionally. A true jack of all trades, and master of none, he listened, and told me later that it was the only gun he ever bought and sold and made money on. All the rest, he lost his backside on. Some can’t help themselves, like my friend, as he would bugger up more screws, in his haste to do what ever the demon on his shoulder convinced him in doing. I was really glad that wasn’t a true Winchester collector. LOL! Smile

Just my two cents.

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A beginning collector always has the urge to make the gun shinny figuring it will improve its collectability but it usually backfires. Old guns have grime in the corners and screw slots and it drives them nuts seeing it figuring the gun should look like a new gun so they clean it. Now they removed years of originality that the made the gun look like its never been apart that the serious collector looks for. If your using it for cowboy action shooting, yes clean it and lube the insides or if it feels like its grinding when levered it may need to have the insides cleaned and lubed. A inherited gun has a different value and if its too far down the condition level a restore my be in order but to do it right it will cost you more than you will ever get out of it. Depending on the configuration of the gun it may cost $5000 to $7500 to get a quality job and it depends on what they have to start with. Taking it to a guy that will do it for less saves money by using a buffing wheel which destroys whats left of it.

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A inherited gun has a different value and if its too far down the condition level a restore my be in order but to do it right it will cost you more than you will ever get out of it. 

Bob

  

This is my metric for such things….If I had a G-G-Grandfather’s gun, the value of making it right and preserving would far exceed what it cost to do the work professionally, and I’d be OK with that. On a collection piece? I’d never outspend the gun’s value, that doesn’t make sense without a driving force of nostalgia or family heirloom traits….on a side note, I had no such hand-me-downs from my family, so I created one…a custom piece from Turnbull with our family name engraved in it. A simple piece, but I spent the money because I want it handed down from here on out. It is absolutely beautiful quality.

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I’d just wipe it down
A gun is only original once

If you can’t convince them, confuse them

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What is missing from the conversation is the “duck.”  

You can’t have a duck dinner without the duck. 

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No duck

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It is more important to have the heirloom in good working condition than it is to make it look pretty.  “This rifle has unfortunately been well loved by my family over the years”.  And you want to mess it up? 

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It is more important to have the heirloom in good working condition than it is to make it look pretty.  “This rifle has unfortunately been well loved by my family over the years”.  And you want to mess it up? 

  

Agreed. There are some awesome artisans doing restoration work today but not one can restore the character generations of your family have given this rifle. Just my take; your gun, your money, your call.

 

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Mike I agree.  Yes, it is his gun to do whatever he wishes.  I bet that if he takes someone out and they shoot this and he explains the history the new shooter really won’t care what it looks like.  

And someday someone else will own it.

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Hello everyone! 

I’m extremely new to both Internet forums and restoring rifles so this is going to be interesting.

I recently inherited my great-great grandfather’s model 1873 rifle in 44WCF. This rifle has unfortunately been well loved by my family over the years and therefore needs some work. As far as I can tell, the rifle is in good functional order. It will cycle with ease and has very minor rust on some internal components and slightly heavier rusting on the butt plate. The stock is well worn and chipped in some areas and the front sight has some damage where it is mounted to the barrel. 

I would like to get this rifle restored to the best of my ability but have very little confidence in my ability to redo the bluing. I have however begun the process of fixing some minor issues with the help of YouTube. If anyone knows of anyone located near the Texas Panhandle who has experience with redoing the bluing it would be much appreciated! 

All other tips and tricks would be helpful and very much appreciated. Thank you and I’m happy to be apart of what seems to be such a

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Before you get too carried away post several good pictures of it so I can see what condition its in now. The Gun my be worth more in original condition but once its fixed up it looses it appeal and is actually worth less. If your having problems posting pictures you can email them to me.

Bob

  

Here is a link to the Google drive where I’ve uploaded all of the photos.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1kGd6Q0kHyvMqYz-rkOK0V8Xgk0fTWWNF

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Well its been gone over already.  The metal has been cleaned, rust probably removed at one time leaving the metal with no finish. The stock has had a finish applied to it and looks it and had a rough life but the forearm looks to be original and fits good yet. The rear barrel sight looks right and the front sight looks like someone got mad at it but probably some form of fix that went bad. The trigger block safety is missing on the lower tang so who knows what else has been played with in the trigger group.

If it were mine I would find a original stock that matches the forearm, replace the front sight with a old original and then while you had the stock off figure out what happened in the trigger. The gun was made Feb 2 of 1894. Its 44 caliber which is the most desirable caliber in the 73’s along with the octagon barrel. I would estimate the value of the gun at $2200. If its got a good bore and will feed and fire $2500

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Good pints, Bob. I’d want to shoot the thing, when I shoot a rifle like that I feel like I’m shaking hands with history. If it was a family heirloom that would be really special! But before shooting the rifle would need to be safe and mechanically sound. Frontier gunsmithing and routine “maintenance” add character at the expense of collector value. I wish I knew the stories behind some of the guns that have followed me home. 

 

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I’ve just scanned the photos of your ancestral rifle, for which I’m sure we all thank you. 

Others are the experts and will.have the valuable advice you need.  

But I will tell you what I think, for what it’s worth: 

1. The steel.of the rifle has not been abused and is in good condition for its age, with a minor exception. It has been disassembled with a poorly fitting screwdriver at some point, distorting the screw slots. If it were mine, I would find a gunsmith with expertise in the Model 1873, I would have him carefully strip it down and gently clean and lubricate the lockwork and internal components, then reassemble it without altering them, noting any deficiencies.  I’d also ask the Smith to evaluate the bore and wipe it to prevent further corrosion.  

2. I would do nothing more to the external metal than wipe it with Ballistol or something similar. Do not use and abrasive. I might ask the Smith to reshape the distorted screw slots. Or set them aside in safe storage and replace them for display with an available set of  1873 replacement screws. 

3. The stock and forearm look to my woodworker’s eye to have been refinished with a varnish that has long since deteriorated.  I might, for myself, remove and retain the original wood and replace it for display with straight grained Black Walnut finished in oil.  

3a.  Any original wood and screws should be contained in clearly marked packaging and transferred with the rifle to any future owner.

4. Depending on the bore and a competent gunsmith’s blessing, I might shoot it a bit but would probably instead spend $1200 and buy a new Winchester 1873 rifle to serve as it’s display mate and to shoot and hunt with, for a fraction of the cost of a professional restoration of the original rifle. (I’m prejudiced because I have both a new 1873 rifle and carbine that satisfy all my desire to actually use a 73 for its intended purpose.)

5..I would record and display with the rifle as much of its history as I could assimilate, using full names, places, exact or approximate dates, and any family stories about its use. Don’t wait to do this and type it up and keep it on display with the rifle. Provenance is the first part of a historic rifle to vanish..People with knowledge grow old and forget. “If it isn’t written down, it didn’t happen.”

At a guess, your rifle could be restored to new condition but it might well require replacement of the barrel.and all the wood. Others could give you a closer number but I would estimate six to eight thousand dollars. And it would be your grandfather’s rifle like another man’s grandfather’s axe with replacement blade and replacement handle..

Lastly:  Don’t try to do the work yourself. This rifle is far from being a tub toy and deserves very experienced hands. I’ve had to learn that lesson the hard way myself.The first law of medicine applies here: primum, non nocere. 

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  If you attempt to restore a gun in that condition it would not look right unless you use a donor gun of better quality. Replacing stock, barrel, and varies other metal parts would be a must, leaving you with very little of the original gun reused.

  I would suggest you just fix the mechanical parts to make it function leaving everything else the way it is, history intact. T/R

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