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I picked up a 1922 manufactured 1907 and 100 rounds of vintage nickel player Remington-made ammo.
the wood is all nice, no cracks.
reading about the gun online, I believe before shooting it, I need to check the buffer to see if it’s still good, and to expect that it’s probably not.
so my questions – I know numeric is long out of the oem replacement buffers. What are people doing now if they need a new buffer?
also what are original buffer dimensions in case I need to make one. I do have a lathe, if that helps, and if anyone has instructions of what works.
Welcome Claven2,
Someone should be along shortly to help answer your question.
Best Regards,
WACA Life Member #6284 - Specializing in Pre-64 Winchester .22 Rimfire
JWA said rnWelcome Claven2,rnrnSomeone should be along shortly to help answer your question.rnrnBest Regards,rn rn
Fwiw, the buffer washer is not contacting the buffer cup on my rifle yet. I have 47 thou of clearance.
I have messed with 1907’s a bit and I really like them they remind me of a small BAR. Anyway, on the two I own both are probably needing buffers only one has some space. On one of the rifles I took it out which wasn’t that easy and the buffer was in terrible shape. I hadn’t found anywhere to get replacements so i I have contemplated making them too. I don’t know what they are made of I don’t have pictures but it is hard and at first I thought it might be leather. But looking at the buffer under a loop it looks like a fiber maybe Bakelite? It shouldn’t be that hard to make them if you know the overall size and what the material to use is.
Rob
I would think Bakelite would shatter under impact or distort what struck it. I used to deal with a lot of Bakelite as a kid interested in amateur radio in the Fifties. Knobs, insulators, even chassis, but nothing that was intended to cushion strikes.
If it looks woven, maybe it’s made out of sisal, jute or some other natural fibrous material that can absorb impact. Perhaps Nylon or Delrin could be substituted.
Glad you posted this issue. I’ve got an ’07 made in the Fifties, the style shown in the Gun Digests of those years. With hooked bolt retractor finger piece, semi-military stock and no detent on the takedown knob. I’ve never fired it and really should check the state of the buffer before I do.
Texas Department of Corrections once used these as prison guard weapons.
Query: do the 1903 and m63 rimfire versions also have buffers?
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
The 1903 does not have a buffer. On mine, I could not see where the bolt may have struck the aft end of the receiver. There was no peening of metal or other tell-tale signs.
GMC(SW) - USN Retired 1978 - 2001
sorry for the bump – but any news on a source for these, new or repro, or details on what substitutes can be made from that’s tried and tested?
If all else fails, I’d try a buffer cut to shape and size from a swatch of the polymer used for milk bottles, which is HDPE, high density polyetylene, or, alteratively Nylon. You can buy it on Amazon in various size strips and blocks.
However, first you really should write to Wilson Combat, who make the Shok-Buff for 1911 Government Model pistols. That product, a hollow ring 1/10th” thick, won’t serve your needs but the material from which it is made just might. Wilson describes it as a “fibrous poly” they injection mold to shape. Their advertising cautions customers to stay away from the “cheaper” die-stamped competition, which tells me the material is probably commercially available in sheets, hopefully of various thicknesses. A hand made cutter and a hammer could keep you supplied for decades.
I’ve used the Shok-Buff for years in both steel and aluminum frame Colts and the product does work to prevent peening and soften recoil. Wilson says each buffer is good for 1000 rounds, which I’ve found to be about right, depending on the power of the load.
If you pursue this, please let know how it goes and where your chosen material can be sourced.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Robert Drummond Jr said
I have messed with 1907’s a bit and I really like them they remind me of a small BAR. Anyway, on the two I own both are probably needing buffers only one has some space. On one of the rifles I took it out which wasn’t that easy and the buffer was in terrible shape. I hadn’t found anywhere to get replacements so i I have contemplated making them too. I don’t know what they are made of I don’t have pictures but it is hard and at first I thought it might be leather. But looking at the buffer under a loop it looks like a fiber maybe Bakelite? It shouldn’t be that hard to make them if you know the overall size and what the material to use is.Rob
If you’ve still got a buffer out, could you give us the approximate dimensions, recognizing the thickness has been compressed?
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
Good news, possibly. An online dealer, Old Arms of Idaho lists 1907 buffers for sale at $12.50 apiece, probably plus shipping etc. But still….
Telephone 208.602.6027
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
If anyone has any questions or concerns with the buffers for the Self Loading Winchesters. You should call my friend Leonard at 517-881-9028. We wrote a book on the 1907, and has been trying to make a buffer that will work well.
Bo, thanks for the heads up.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
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