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July 21, 2022 - 3:27 pm
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This is a basket case 1892 in 44-40 sporting rifle that I just got put back together.

I have 3 dummy rounds that I made and I was trying to see if the rifle would even cycle.

When loading, the last round loaded will not seat properly on the carrier. No matter if I load only 1, 2, or all 3. Once I straighten the bullet onto the carrier, everything works fine. I can load all 3 rounds without issue either, but that last round in will not fully seat.

I took a couple of pics and I hope this helps with any advice you brilliant minds may have.

 

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Sounds like your spring may not have enough tension if all cycle except the last one in the magazine.  Do you have the correct spring follower?

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This is only when I am loading the gun, not during operation. I was actually thinking that my magazine spring was not short enough and creating too much initial resistance. It was sticking out of the tube probably a good 18″ when I started. I cut it down to 12″ which is when the pics were taken.

If I move the rear of the bullet onto the carrier, then everything works fine. If I try to load more than 1 round, they will push up the tube, but the last round in always ends up in that position. I only have the 3 dummy rounds (COL 1.56″) right now, but I’ll make some more and see if I can load a full tube.

How long should the mag spring (total length or length out of the tube) be without any resistance? This is a Sporting Rifle.

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Need clear photos of both sides of the inside of the receiver and of the magazine tube follower.  Best if you take it with a flash. 

 

What is the OACL on your “dummy” rounds?  One of my manuals says OACL 1.592″, while the other says 1.55″.  I load my 38-40’s to 1.585″.  Guess it would depend on the bullet.  Case length should be no more than 1.30″. 

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I load my 44-40 to 1.56″. That’s the midway point according to SAAMI.

 

Here are pics of the open chamber, no round, and the carrier down. The follower is brass. Before putting the follower in, I made sure that it would slide freely from one end of the magazine to the other.

 

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Hard to tell from the blurry photos when you zoom in but it looks like the cartridge is getting hung up on the gusset on the back side of the loading gate.  It looks like 90 degree step in it then it is beveled or tapered to the inside of the receiver.   That gusset should be beveled and angled starting at the point of where the gusset attaches or is welded to the back side of the loading gate.   The beveled gusset functions to aligns the cartridge onto the center of the carrier and back against the cartridge stop at the rear base of the carrier, to allow the cartridge to clear everything as the carrier raises as the lever is cycled.  

Also make sure the loading gate is aligned and installed correctly.  It should have tension against the inside wall of the receiver if the spring tension is good.  And it should be flush.  The only thing that cartridge is touching when in the position of your first set of photos is the magazine follower, loading gate, and carrier.

Tried to replicate your issue and could not leading me to believe it is getting caught on what may be a step in the gusset.   

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I think you’re right about the loading gate. I can’t really tell about the bevel, but the “fit” on the receiver doesn’t look right at all.

It’s functional, as in it moves, but certainly not flush. It’s as if the tail is too long. I’ll blow it apart and see if I have another gate to try in its place.

 

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Browning Hi Power (1949 - 1954)

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I tried first to just loosen and adjust the gate, but that was going nowhere.

I got the loading gate out. It has an overall length of 2.48″. The dimensions from the rear curve of the gate to the center of the screw hole seems to match up with the rifle.

I also didn’t see any of the beveling that was being referred to either as a possibility.

I’ll see if I can clean out the slot for the tail a little, but I’m not seeing an obvious reason for it not to line up any better.

 

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Browning Hi Power (1949 - 1954)

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Your loading gate is not to the right dimensions or configuration.  Likely off of some kind of knockoff copy of an 1892?.  If it doesnt look like the one below, its not the right one.    

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Looks like youve had a number of posts regarding issues with this receiver build (and one other?).  Nothing wrong with trying to make something work and understand how it comes together.  But if the receiver has been altered and the parts arent a fit, its like trying to hang drywall and install windows in a framed house thats not square and has mis-matched dimensioned lumber.  In the end it may come together, and be livable, the electric and plumbing even may work, but it will always carry its flaws.  Good luck with it. 

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Same gun on the other posts.

My gate is close, but enough not right to raise the suspicions of it being a knock-off. I’ll try to get another that more closely matches yours. I do have a couple of Rossi’s, but I know better than to try and mix in those parts, especially the ones that require screws.

I do have an 1892 in 38-40, but I really didn’t want to take it apart to test fit things into this one. I’ll ponder on that some more and start my search for a replacement gate. Frustrating to be so close and have the gate hold me up.

 

Thanks for all the help.

Corey

Winchester 1892 (1898)

Winchester 1894 (1956)

Winchester 1897 (1909)

Winchester 1911 (1911)

Browning A5 Sweet Sixteen (1959)

Browning Superposed (1962)

Browning Hi Power (1949 - 1954)

Browning 1910 (1910)

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