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I found a rifle that has the close set triggers that aren’t working. What would it take to remove the trigger? I have never torn an 86 apart.
Chuck, The Winchester Catalogues have a cut away picture with directions on dissembling and assembling. The trigger comes out with the lower tang. I have no experience with the double set type.
(1) Remove stock
(2) Unscrew strain screw
(3) Drive out the main-spring from left to right.
(4) Remove the carrier spring.
(5) Take out the hammer screw and tang with sear attached.
T/R
TR said
Chuck, The Winchester Catalogues have a cut away picture with directions on dissembling and assembling. The trigger comes out with the lower tang. I have no experience with the double set type.(1) Remove stock
Before going beyond this, with the buttstock off, spray the DS mechanism with Kroil, turn the adjustment screw in & out, see if it will set. If it doesn’t, I’d spray again with carb cleaner, as Kroil won’t cut hardened, oxidized, oil, if that’s binding the mechanism. If it’s still inoperative, only then would I proceed further.
TR said
Chuck, The Winchester Catalogues have a cut away picture with directions on dissembling and assembling. The trigger comes out with the lower tang. I have no experience with the double set type.(1) Remove stock
(2) Unscrew strain screw
(3) Drive out the main-spring from left to right.
(4) Remove the carrier spring.
(5) Take out the hammer screw and tang with sear attached.
T/R
That makes sense. That is how I figured out how to tear my Henry apart.
clarence said
TR said
Chuck, The Winchester Catalogues have a cut away picture with directions on dissembling and assembling. The trigger comes out with the lower tang. I have no experience with the double set type.(1) Remove stock
Before going beyond this, with the buttstock off, spray the DS mechanism with Kroil, turn the adjustment screw in & out, see if it will set. If it doesn’t, I’d spray again with carb cleaner, as Kroil won’t cut hardened, oxidized, oil, if that’s binding the mechanism. If it’s still inoperative, only then would I proceed further.
Thanks. I don’t own the gun yet but I will play with it a bit.
Chuck said
Thanks. I don’t own the gun yet but I will play with it a bit.
Be careful about turning the adj. screw–may break if it’s stuck hard.
clarence said
Be careful about turning the adj. screw–may break if it’s stuck hard.
I got a chance to play with the adjustment screw. It is not stuck and when screwed in it appears to want to work but the trigger will not stay in the “notch” or set. Never had one of these apart but I do have the same trigger on an 85 but I really don’t want to tear both apart to see what is wrong on the 86.
Chuck,
So the sear does not want to stay in the hammer notch? or is it the kickoff catch (the hook) not staying on the kickoff.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
Chuck, Anybody from whom you can borrow Frank de Haas’ Single Shot Rifles? (Expensive to buy.) Best descriptions & drawings of all 3 set triggers ever written. (Also, my favorite gun book.)
1873man said
Chuck,So the sear does not want to stay in the hammer notch? or is it the kickoff catch (the hook) not staying on the kickoff.
Bob
Bob, is there a way to determine this without taking someone else’s gun apart? I really have no knowledge of the parts. Is there a diagram somewhere? I’ve been lucky in the past and all of my triggers where working when I bought the guns.
Chuck,
I’m not sure about a 86 but with a 73 if you slide the stock off you have a real good view of the set trigger workings and you can play with it and tell what is wrong. I don’t have any double set guns or diagrams for them. I do have working 73 tangs with set triggers in them. Here is a link to a post I made with a copy of a article of the most common set trigger problems.
https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/1873-set-trigger/
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
1873man said
Here is a link to a post I made with a copy of a article of the most common set trigger problems.https://winchestercollector.org/forum/winchester-rifles/1873-set-trigger/
I printed that out when you first posted it. But it’s for the SS trigger, not the CC.
Thanks Bob and Clarence. I have a copy of Bob’s set trigger article already but can’t find it right now.
I guess I will have to take the stock off my 85 and then ask the owner of the 86 IF I could do the same.
Bob would tig welding fix most problems or is it likely that I will need a new part? I know you don’t know for sure but what do you see more?
Chuck,
The most common problem with sets is the notches on the hammer. The half cock is narrow on a set which causes it to crack off. The little screw stuck or broken off. If someone was in there before then you end up with it assembled wrong and doesn’t work. With the stock off you should be able to see the kickoff catch and when you push the set it should latch even if it just barely catches. If it catches and slips off, then the catch or the kickoff is worn. Hammer notches can be welded up but the other parts are getting small and welding with a tig can get real hard.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
Email: [email protected]
I found these in Frank de Haas’ book on Single Set Rifles. So this is what they look like in the 85.
Chuck said
I found these in Frank de Haas’ book on Single Set Rifles. So this is what they look like in the 85.
Surprising that you found those, Chuck. Paper-back is now selling for around $200 I think, but there wasn’t a single copy listed on ABE. Along with the drawings are a page of description explaining exactly how each mechanism works. In fact he wrote a separate book about set triggers of all types.
clarence said
Surprising that you found those, Chuck. Paper-back is now selling for around $200 I think, but there wasn’t a single copy listed on ABE. Along with the drawings are a page of description explaining exactly how each mechanism works. In fact he wrote a separate book about set triggers of all types.
No surprise once I remembered I had his book.
Chuck said
No surprise once I remembered I had his book.
Damn good thing–you’d be in trouble looking for it now! Hard to believe a book published in large numbers by Gun Digest, which could be found at almost any gun show for about $25 not that long ago, is now almost unobtainable. Around 10 yrs ago his son told me he was intending to have it reprinted, but nothing came of it. I have one of the rare hardback eds–in fact, the only one I ever saw for sale.
clarence said
Damn good thing–you’d be in trouble looking for it now! Hard to believe a book published in large numbers by Gun Digest, which could be found at almost any gun show for about $25 not that long ago, is now almost unobtainable. Around 10 yrs ago his son told me he was intending to have it reprinted, but nothing came of it. I have one of the rare hardback eds–in fact, the only one I ever saw for sale.
Don’t remember when I bought it or for how much. My 1969 copy is printed with a “Seven Dollar and Ninety Five Cents” price on it. So this was what they thought it was worth. Mine is a paperback.
Chuck said
Don’t remember when I bought it or for how much. My 1969 copy is printed with a “Seven Dollar and Ninety Five Cents” price on it. So this was what they thought it was worth. Mine is a paperback.
Same on mine. But even after it went out of print, $25-30 was an average gun show price for many yrs, because so many had been printed. Where have they all gone to now?
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