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1892takedown said
You would have to do a much deeper dive into the history of Mexico to understand the underpinnings that led to the Texas Revolution. You would have to look at the Mexican war of independence from Spain, the Spanish Constitution of 1812, the removal of the monarchy and formation of a federal republic with the Constitution of 1824, the abolishment of the 1824 Constitution in 1835 to a centralized government with Santa Anna as dictator, and so on and so forth.
And what was emblazoned on the Alamo flag? You know of course, but give twobit or some of the other Texas history experts a chance to explain.
clarence said
Dave K. said
You are right about that. So much to learn and so little time. Mexico and Texas indeed have an interesting history that I have done some reading about over the years Am I wrong about slavery being one of the issues? Without slavery cotton and rice farming would not have been liley if not impossible.
The cotton plantation economy had not been established in 1836, & rice farming was far in the future. Most of the early settlers were poor folk looking for cheap land, & poor folk don’t own slaves.
Cotton was first grown in Texas by Spanish missionaries. A report of the missions at San Antonio in 1745 indicates that several thousand pounds of cotton were produced annually,
Cotton cultivation was begun by Anglo-American colonists in 1821.
Texas had about 5,000 slaves at the time of its revolution in 1836, but by 1845, when the state was annexed to the United States, this grew to 30,000. Statehood and Slavery (1845-1865): Texas applied for statehood just 16 years before the Civil War and was admitted to the Union in 1845 as a slave state.
Sam Houston owned 12 slaves.
Before he came to Texas, the Kentucky-born Bowie was already well known in Louisiana— not as a soldier, but as a slave trader. Bowie grew up in Catahoula Parish, Louisiana, the son of the largest slave owner in the area. Bowie’s father ran a large plantation on the Vermilion River where he grew cotton and sugarcane,
clarence said
And what was emblazoned on the Alamo flag? You know of course, but give twobit or some of the other Texas history experts a chance to explain.
An interesting read on the subject of the “1824” Alamo flag is here:
http://www.sonsofdewittcolony.org//adp/history/republic/flags/alamoflag.html
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Dave K. said
1892takedown said
You would have to do a much deeper dive into the history of Mexico to understand the underpinnings that led to the Texas Revolution. You would have to look at the Mexican war of independence from Spain, the Spanish Constitution of 1812, the removal of the monarchy and formation of a federal republic with the Constitution of 1824, the abolishment of the 1824 Constitution in 1835 to a centralized government with Santa Anna as dictator, and so on and so forth.
You are right about that. So much to learn and so little time. Mexico and Texas indeed have an interesting history that I have done some reading about over the years Am I wrong about slavery being one of the issues? Without slavery cotton and rice farming would not have been liley if not impossible.
I believe you are correct about that, Dave. It’s an issue glazed over or ignored by some authors. It’s quite remarkable how many historians, professional and amateur, are still debating the events leading up to Texas independence but Chris has summed it up nicely. It’s hard to truly understand Texas’ fight for independence without understanding the events in Mexico in the previous decades. It’s like studying the 1866 Winchester without understanding the Henry repeating rifle. I’ve read some fascinating books on the subject of Texas Independence in the past several years, feel free to PM me for titles & authors.
Mike
TXGunNut said
I believe you are correct about that, Dave. It’s an issue glazed over or ignored by some authors. It’s quite remarkable how many historians, professional and amateur, are still debating the events leading up to Texas independence but Chris has summed it up nicely. It’s hard to truly understand Texas’ fight for independence without understanding the events in Mexico in the previous decades. It’s like studying the 1866 Winchester without understanding the Henry repeating rifle. I’ve read some fascinating books on the subject of Texas Independence in the past several years, feel free to PM me for titles & authors.
Mike
Mike, I have been to Texas 5 times over the years and I am enthralled both with the geography and its history. I was at Palo Duro Canyon , grave of Charles Goodnight and the historic Adair JA ranch two years ago. Like the American Revolution, the Texas War of Independence, the creation of Canada in 1867 and any other significant events in our history there are many facets that are little understood. I would be delighted if you could provide me with book titles so that I can best understand the history of your magnificent state.
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Dave K. said
Mike, I have been to Texas 5 times over the years and I am enthralled both with the geography and its history. I was at Palo Duro Canyon , grave of Charles Goodnight and the historic Adair JA ranch two years ago. Like the American Revolution, the Texas War of Independence, the creation of Canada in 1867 and any other significant events in our history there are many facets that are little understood. I would be delighted if you could provide me with book titles so that I can best understand the history of your magnificent state.
Hardin’s Texian Iliad is one of my favorites, Lindley’s Alamo Traces is another and Harrigan’s novel The Gates of the Alamo is great entertainment with some good insight. I had a book that dealt with Santa Anna in depth but I’m afraid it’s out on loan and I don’t expect it back. I’m currently reading Harrigan’s Big Wonderful Thing but it’s a bit of a monster and I’m pacing myself. If you make it to Texas again the Alamo gift shop actually has a remarkable book selection. A few years back I spent several days touring Goliad, Gonzales, San Antonio and San Jacinto. My next tour will be the missions around San Antonio.
Mike
Thanks Mike, I will look up those titles. I don’t usually read fiction but I just finished “News of the World” by Canadian author Paulette Jiles? It is a light read for sure but has some actual historic characters and place names woven into the story. Some mention is made of Henry rifles. I will be back to Texas someday and soon I hope.
Since we slid off topic for a bit…. the book “Eagles and Empire The United States, Mexico, and the Struggle for a Continent” by David Clary, is a very good historical read.
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I’d rather talk about history than the present. I replaced over 30 feet of 100 caliber smooth bore PVC yesterday while lying in 45 degree water and mud. Not one of my better days. Next time my checkbook takes the hit, my body isn’t very happy with me. Got it together too late to test for leaks last night, had to run to my sister’s for a hot shower to fend off hypothermia. May get into the seventies today. It was 50 yesterday and we still had ice on the ground.
Mike
TXGunNut said
I’d rather talk about history than the present. I replaced over 30 feet of 100 caliber smooth bore PVC yesterday while lying in 45 degree water and mud. Not one of my better days. Next time my checkbook takes the hit, my body isn’t very happy with me. Got it together too late to test for leaks last night, had to run to my sister’s for a hot shower to fend off hypothermia. May get into the seventies today. It was 50 yesterday and we still had ice on the ground.
Mike
Mike – I would think you had little choice but to do it yourself. There must be a long waiting list for plumbers and the like given the extensive damage.
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steve004 said
Mike – I would think you had little choice but to do it yourself. There must be a long waiting list for plumbers and the like given the extensive damage.
I believe you’re right. I keep plumbing supplies on hand but still had to go on a scavenger hunt. Had everything my neighbor needed tho. Plumbing supplies are getting scarcer than ammo, was very fortunate to find what I needed. I restocked some of my PEX stuff but hope I don’t need it. Carry gun is a bit rusty today and the mag likely needs to be taken apart and cleaned as well. Fresh ammo probably a good idea. “To do” list is getting longer and I haven’t checked for leaks yet.
Mike
Mike, I have learned by the school of hard knocks my entire life, so please do not take this wrong. If my mistakes can prevent someone else from making them I’m happy.
20 years ago just as my seasonal business was starting for the year it and all my family business’s were hit by a tornado. 9 aircraft, hangars, farm buildings, and a 100 unit mini storage were trashed and spread all the way to town. My, my brothers, and parents houses also had damage. The storm was wide spread enough that you could not hire a carpenter, electrician, plumber, or a general contractor. When the reporter put the micro-phone in my face to get a human moment, I stayed up beat. I told him no one was hurt and we were rebuilding as we speak, He then handed the mic to the FEMA representative and he said that the size of this damage did not meet their thresh-old. At that point in time I was motivated, my brother and I worked all summer cleaning up the mess, rebuilding, while servicing our customers.
Here’s my first mistake, I assumed this was a one time event. Tornadoes don’t hit the same place twice, so I thought. 4 years later the same thing again!
Here’s my second mistake, not taking all necessary steps in rebuilding to minimize damage the next time.
Here’s what I learned, you can only rely on yourself and family. T/R
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Yes sir. I have a long history as an outdoorsman and a peace officer. I’m a survivor. While I clean up this mess I’m planning for the next one. My family and friends gave me moral support and my sister helped a bit yesterday. I helped my neighbors and they offered to help me. My plumbing supplies are running low but my neighbors are welcome to them, my tools and my tiny bit of knowledge. Like my ammo, I’ll restock later. FEMA still a no-show but that’s what I expected. I do a little bit of work for them and I know how they operate.
Oh, I finally pushed myself outside to turn on the water. All repairs held and no new leaks were found! Gonna be a long day of cleanup but it just got a whole lot better. Headed into town to check on my business holdings. Will be dead in the water there for at least another day but I can accept that.
Mike
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