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I received three of my searches back from the CF Records Office. Is there a way to research the order numbers? Just wondering…. It would be neat to see what five and dime or other store they may have been shipped to originally. Ron
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The files that the order numbers refer to are gone.
Bob
WACA Life Member--- NRA Life Member---- Cody Firearms member since 1991 Researching the Winchester 1873's
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Occasionally a tidbit about the shipping destination is in the ledger. The folks from Cody gave you all they had. At some point in time the records we would love to have were burned to heat the factory, damaged by flood, or simply tossed in the trash. 70, 80, 100 years ago they had no idea we’d find them so interesting today. We forget in today’s semiconductor information era that it took a LOT of paper to keep track of millions of firearms. At some point the sheer volume of the records became an issue and the solution was disposal. In those days little was wasted at Winchester; “obsolete” records became fuel for the furnaces.
With the late 73 records when they started to use the 3×5 cards they included the destination on them. I don’t know if this practice was used with other models at the time.
Bob
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1873man said
With the late 73 records when they started to use the 3×5 cards they included the destination on them. I don’t know if this practice was used with other models at the time.Bob
The only search I’ve had with a destination was a very late 1873, not sure what the source was. From what I’ve heard & read many of the surviving cards are in pretty bad condition.
Mike
I just got thinking about it and I believe the 73 records are the latest records Cody has.
Bob
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1873man said
I just got thinking about it and I believe the 73 records are the latest records Cody has.Bob
Cody has records for some of the late production Model 1886s as well, also on the 3×5 cards.
Bert
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rwsem said
I received three of my searches back from the CF Records Office. Is there a way to research the order numbers? Just wondering…. It would be neat to see what five and dime or other store they may have been shipped to originally. Ron
There is no destination information for the Model 1892 rifles available. You can have a search done to find out the number of rifles per order number but that is about it.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
Michael
In terms of the British Admiralty orders in 1915 that amounted to 20,000 Model 1892 SRC’s, would the factory orders reflect the various British orders that were placed such as 2,000 carbines , 9,000 carbines plus one more the quantity of which I forget. The reason I ask is that known orders do not add up to the 20,000 total, which we know was placed as it is recorded in an Admiralty history.
Similarly, would this be the case for the one and only British Adniralty order of 5,000 Model 1894 SRC’s that we know was placed about the same time?
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AlanD
Sydney
AlanD said
Michael
In terms of the British Admiralty orders in 1915 that amounted to 20,000 Model 1892 SRC’s, would the factory orders reflect the various British orders that were placed such as 2,000 carbines , 9,000 carbines plus one more the quantity of which I forget. The reason I ask is that known orders do not add up to the 20,000 total, which we know was placed as it is recorded in an Admiralty history.
Similarly, would this be the case for the one and only British Adniralty order of 5,000 Model 1894 SRC’s that we know was placed about the same time?
Regards
AlanD
Sydney
Hello Allen,
The ledger date for Model 1892 rifles only exists up to SN 380,000 corresponding to production during 1907. Too early to capture information regarding the British purchases.
Michael
Model 1892 / Model 61 Collector, Research, Valuation
In 1997, after the Colorado Gun Collectors show in Denver, Gearge Madis, myself and a few others spent the night with Jim Gordon and his wife, at their ranch near Grant, Colorado. Being an 1873 Winchester nut, I was on my home turf. After breakfast on Monday morning, we fired off several rounds through a couple of 73’s, then went for a drive up the canyon, north of the ranch. On this drive, I asked George why no ship-to records on Winchesters existed, like the ones offered by Colt. He told us that for the war effort, Winchester cleaned out several of their storage areas, to make room for various pieces of necessary machinery. In doing so, hundreds of thousands of the 3×5 address cards were discarded and burned. Once in a while you’ll find a late gun that can give the ship-to information, but this info is lost on the vast majority of earlier Winchester firearms.
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