November 19, 2006
OfflineAnthony said
Bert H. said
Anthony said
Bert H. said
Anthony said
Steve,
Well said and put my friend. I have to ask, without googling it, what is lefse?
Thanks for sharing the images and stories to go along!
Tony
It is “Squarehead” fodder… I was married to one of them for 15-years.
LOL!!!
Now you made me go and look up Norwegian Flat Bread!
Tony
My grandmother Hartman was half Norwegian and half German… I grew up eating flat bread made in a big cast iron skillet.
Bert
Thankfully we have these great memories!
Nona, (Grandma), made the homemade Italian Bread what seamed like everyday, that we’d swear could sink a battle ship, but we never tired of eating it!
Tony
Tony –
Yes, the food can speak to us. Especially food from our past!
On the topic of guns speaking to us and the language used, here’s an example: ring shadow.
Most of us have strong appreciation for the high condition pieces – the less observable wear the better. But also, there are the lightly used, carefully used, pieces where the use and wear can enhance the appeal. I often find ring shadow such an example. The carbines below are both .44-40 (.44-40 speaks to me) and a carbine with special order two-thirds magazine also speaks to me.
I’ll also add that rifles (and even better for my taste, carbines) that were used a lot (for what they were made to be used for) and have extensive stories to tell, can also be appealing:
This carbine called to me the second I laid on it. It was a working carbine and came off a Montana ranch. It’s sat around many a campfire. And yes, it helps it’s a .32 Special. I would have taken that .32 Special sight off had it been in any other chambering:
February 17, 2022
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Funny how we all find a gun that speaks to us. I am a diehard 86 guy. Particularly fond of them in 45-90. Although the 33wcf’s have started to pile up now for some strange reason. But I can get really excited about an ELW too. Then there is the time I ran into a 1892 SRC with a pistol grip I decided HAD to come home with me. Which led to a 53 and 65 all in 32-20. But my eye gets drawn hard to a deluxe 1894 from time to time. Just never pulled the trigger on one yet. And of course there is the hunt for the one you really want, like and ELW in 33. That one has eluded me for a long time, but the search is fun. And of course my latest a 92 SRC in 44-40. Always wanted one!
November 19, 2006
Offlineoldcrankyyankee said
Funny how we all find a gun that speaks to us. I am a diehard 86 guy. Particularly fond of them in 45-90. Although the 33wcf’s have started to pile up now for some strange reason. But I can get really excited about an ELW too. Then there is the time I ran into a 1892 SRC with a pistol grip I decided HAD to come home with me. Which led to a 53 and 65 all in 32-20. But my eye gets drawn hard to a deluxe 1894 from time to time. Just never pulled the trigger on one yet. And of course there is the hunt for the one you really want, like and ELW in 33. That one has eluded me for a long time, but the search is fun. And of course my latest a 92 SRC in 44-40. Always wanted one!
Tom –
All of your rifles speak to me! Yes, I am an ’86 fan as well, but when you bought that 1892 SRC with pistol grip (I recall it was a .32-20), that one spoke to me quite loudly!
January 20, 2023
OnlineTom, What I admire most about your collection is, despite how nice the condition of each piece, they all get shot and many get into the woods. In my book, that gets you an extra star in your crown.
At some point, the accumulated annual cost of shooting vintage cartridges is going to reach the price of a deluxe 1894 and your conscience will force you back to the loading bench.
I’m holding back a spare RCBS Rockchucker Jr. against that day, for your very own, gratis, and I’ll even cover the freight charge. (I have a suspicion that, by the time your Yankee thriftiness overcomes your Downeastern stubbornness, you’ll be too old for a progressive press.)
Just let me know….
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
January 20, 2023
Onlineoldcrankyyankee said
Yes the ammo can get a bit pricey. But I keep an eye out for it and offen score a good deal. The problem of what to by next is when you start collecting antique ammo for the guns too. Oh god what have I done now?
As the late Tammy Faye said [about shopping], “It’s cheaper than a psychiatrist!”
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
December 9, 2002
OfflineZebulon said
oldcrankyyankee said
Yes the ammo can get a bit pricey. But I keep an eye out for it and offen score a good deal. The problem of what to by next is when you start collecting antique ammo for the guns too. Oh god what have I done now?
As the late Tammy Faye said [about shopping], “It’s cheaper than a psychiatrist!”
Now there’s a reputable reference! LOL!
Good one, Bill! I have to admit! 
Anthony
April 15, 2005
Offlineoldcrankyyankee said
Yes the ammo can get a bit pricey. But I keep an eye out for it and offen score a good deal. The problem of what to by next is when you start collecting antique ammo for the guns too. Oh god what have I done now?
Been there and done that for a long time. I have at least one original (full) box of WRACo cartridges for every one of the Winchester rifles that I have in my collection. To my way of thinking, the rifle is not complete without its fodder. At last count, I have 60+ boxes for more than 30 different cartridges (for some like the 22 Hornet, I have several different flavors & types). In total, my cartridge collection is worth a small fortune!
This is the rarest box I own… 50-95 W.C.F. Shot cartridges specifically made for the Single Shot rifle
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

November 19, 2006
OfflineBert H. said
oldcrankyyankee said
Yes the ammo can get a bit pricey. But I keep an eye out for it and offen score a good deal. The problem of what to by next is when you start collecting antique ammo for the guns too. Oh god what have I done now?
Been there and done that for a long time. I have at least one original (full) box of WRACo cartridges for every one of the Winchester rifles that I have in my collection. To my way of thinking, the rifle is not complete without its fodder. At last count, I have 60+ boxes for more than 30 different cartridges (for some like the 22 Hornet, I have several different flavors & types). In total, my cartridge collection is worth a small fortune!
This is the rarest box I own… 50-95 WCF Shot cartridges specifically made for the Single Shot rifleBert
Bert –
Those just might work in my Standard Arms Camp 50 repeater.
April 15, 2005
Offlinesteve004 said
Bert H. said
oldcrankyyankee said
Yes the ammo can get a bit pricey. But I keep an eye out for it and offen score a good deal. The problem of what to by next is when you start collecting antique ammo for the guns too. Oh god what have I done now?
Been there and done that for a long time. I have at least one original (full) box of WRACo cartridges for every one of the Winchester rifles that I have in my collection. To my way of thinking, the rifle is not complete without its fodder. At last count, I have 60+ boxes for more than 30 different cartridges (for some like the 22 Hornet, I have several different flavors & types). In total, my cartridge collection is worth a small fortune!
This is the rarest box I own… 50-95 Shot cartridges specifically for the Single Shot rifle
Bert
Bert –
Those just might work in my Standard Arms Camp 50 repeater.
Probably not… the Single Shot variant of the 50-95 WCF shot cartridge is quite different from the type used for the lever-action rifles.
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

February 17, 2022
OfflineBert H. said
oldcrankyyankee said
Yes the ammo can get a bit pricey. But I keep an eye out for it and offen score a good deal. The problem of what to by next is when you start collecting antique ammo for the guns too. Oh god what have I done now?
Been there and done that for a long time. I have at least one original (full) box of WRACo cartridges for every one of the Winchester rifles that I have in my collection. To my way of thinking, the rifle is not complete without its fodder. At last count, I have 60+ boxes for more than 30 different cartridges (for some like the 22 Hornet, I have several different flavors & types). In total, my cartridge collection is worth a small fortune!
This is the rarest box I own… 50-95 Shot cartridges specifically for the Single Shot rifleBert
Bert that is impressive. I haven’t gotten to that many boxes….Yet! Kinda why I stick to a couple flavors, lol. That box of 50-95 is amazing. OHH the quality! At least I have a place to go for therapy, although I’m not sure you guy’s are helping me or should be considered enablers.
April 15, 2005
Offlineoldcrankyyankee said
Bert H. said
oldcrankyyankee said
Yes the ammo can get a bit pricey. But I keep an eye out for it and offen score a good deal. The problem of what to by next is when you start collecting antique ammo for the guns too. Oh god what have I done now?
Been there and done that for a long time. I have at least one original (full) box of WRACo cartridges for every one of the Winchester rifles that I have in my collection. To my way of thinking, the rifle is not complete without its fodder. At last count, I have 60+ boxes for more than 30 different cartridges (for some like the 22 Hornet, I have several different flavors & types). In total, my cartridge collection is worth a small fortune!
This is the rarest box I own… 50-95 Shot cartridges specifically for the Single Shot rifle
Bert
Bert that is impressive. I haven’t gotten to that many boxes….Yet! Kinda why I stick to a couple flavors, lol. That box of 50-95 is amazing. OHH the quality! At least I have a place to go for therapy, although I’m not sure you guy’s are helping me or should be considered enablers.
Positively “enablers”, but we are here to help! 
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

January 20, 2023
OnlineBert and Tom,
I’d never given collecting boxed cartridges much thought until recently but what you say strikes a chord — the gun without a colorful box of the “correct” cartridges does somehow seem incomplete.
One reason I’ve not thought much about displays is the always present possibility of a burglary. In the dim mists of time – back when I had no gun at home except a cased 3rd generation Colt “Ned Buntline Commemorative — in a different house with no safe and no security system, there was a very successful burglary ring operating that hit a couple of houses a week in that neighborhood, principally looking for objects of high silver content and gold coins, etc. They had a smelter in the back of a truck that would make untraceable ingots as they drove away. No prints on anything, no deliberate vandalism, only damage if they wanted access to a locked cabinet. The left the Colt display case open on the floor — with the gun inside. Very professional indeed.
Ive recently thought about displaying my 1907 with its 10 round magazines and a yellow and blue box of vintage Western self-loading cartridges. Maybe my 1949 shooter-grade 62A and the 16 gauge Model 37.
I wouldn’t like to lose them but it wouldn’t be my heart’s blood like others.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
December 12, 2019
OfflineZebulon said
Bert and Tom,
I’d never given collecting boxed cartridges much thought until recently but what you say strikes a chord — the gun without a colorful box of the “correct” cartridges does somehow seem incomplete.
One reason I’ve not thought much about displays is the always present possibility of a burglary. In the dim mists of time – back when I had no gun at home except a cased 3rd generation Colt “Ned Buntline Commemorative — in a different house with no safe and no security system, there was a very successful burglary ring operating that hit a couple of houses a week in that neighborhood, principally looking for objects of high silver content and gold coins, etc. They had a smelter in the back of a truck that would make untraceable ingots as they drove away. No prints on anything, no deliberate vandalism, only damage if they wanted access to a locked cabinet. The left the Colt display case open on the floor — with the gun inside. Very professional indeed.
Ive recently thought about displaying my 1907 with its 10 round magazines and a yellow and blue box of vintage Western self-loading cartridges. Maybe my 1949 shooter-grade 62A and the 16 gauge Model 37.
I wouldn’t like to lose them but it wouldn’t be my heart’s blood like others.
Bill, I keep a revolving display of Model 1892’s with Colt SAA in matching calibers in my home office, along with some Colt Statehood commemoratives. I rotate the carbines with the rifles. I’m retired, so we’re rarely away from the home overnight. When we do travel, I just stick them all in a safe. This forces me to wipe them down and rotate the display when I return.
Certainly not ‘theft proof’, but I get to enjoy looking at some of the collection daily.
Nevada Paul
Life Member NRA
April 15, 2005
OfflineBill,
If you decide to embark upon the treacherous path of collecting cartridge boxes, make sure that you acquire a copy of Ray Giles & Dan Shuey’s reference book. Collecting the cartridges boxes has been as much fun as the rifles that go with them.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L

January 20, 2023
OnlinePaul, that’s a great idea. I could see displaying my gansaku Winchesters, which are showy and a couple have colorful figured wood. They are replaceable and probably insurable to full value.
Bert, Thanks for the cite. I don’t really have any prewar ammunition. More boxes of pistol cartridges than rifle stuff – some Fifties Winchester 41 Long Colt, couple boxes of nonedescript 458 Wincester Magnum softs and solids, some snarling tiger 7mm and 300 Weatherby Magnum, a box of the Remington 41 Magnum 900f/s lead “police load” for the Smith 58.
- Bill
WACA # 65205; life member, NRA; member, TGCA; member, TSRA; amateur preservationist
"I have seen wicked men and fools, a great many of both, and I believe they both get paid in the end, but the fools first." -- David Balfour, narrator and protagonist of the novel, Kidnapped, by Robert Louis Stevenson.
September 23, 2025
OfflineHave only picked up a few vintage ammo boxes so far. I think I need to be careful about it though. I can already see myself finding a good deal on a box of ammo, and it costing me a lot of money to buy the gun to match it.
Here’s a box of .405 I just snagged. It was absolutely paramount that I own it, to pair with my Miroku 1895. Hopefully I can convince myself of that long enough to not overpay for an original .405.
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