Avatar
Search
Forum Scope




Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
Lost password?
sp_Feed sp_PrintTopic sp_TopicIcon
Julia auction and ivory
Avatar
spursfan
Texas
Member
WACA Guest
Forum Posts: 102
Member Since:
August 5, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
1
October 6, 2014 - 12:52 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Around Oct 1, Julia started adding addemdums to all auction items that contained ivory.  For Winchester rifles, which is the only group I looked at, all ivory will be removed unless the buyer provides an ESA Antique Certification document that proves its age.  Julia provides the name/contact info of a person from whom you can purchase an ESA – at $1,500 EACH!  Facetious fditorial comment – Thank you, President Obama.

Avatar
tim tomlinson
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 912
Member Since:
September 19, 2014
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
2
October 22, 2014 - 2:37 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Yes, I noted that wrinkle myself!  Not a minor expense either.  I wonder how many people realized how much it would cost to obtain the original sights that had been removed prior to the sale?  The federal policy seems to state it is the seller’s responsibility.  In this case, I suspect the auction house was caught in the middle of the change in policy.  I know I have several Winchesters with ivory insert front sights, and can only imagine the efforts to legally transfer them now.  That in effect just reduced their value were I so inclined to sell!

Tim Tomlinson

Avatar
deerhunter
Troutdale, OR
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 2711
Member Since:
June 26, 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
3
October 22, 2014 - 3:07 pm
sp_Permalink sp_Print

Ebay is full of sights with ivory inserts for sale.  I wonder how they’re going to manage that?

Avatar
tony g
Member
WACA Member
Forum Posts: 55
Member Since:
January 24, 2007
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
4
December 17, 2014 - 1:36 am
sp_Permalink sp_Print

It’s simple, the federal law on ivory is one of the very few that puts the full responsibility of proving the ivory is over 100 yrs old and was a factory part to the gun at that time, and was imported at the proper time, on the individual person rather than on the government to prove it is not. I also know personally that agencies have a tight budget and will only work the cases that are worth it for them, unless of course you are the unlucky one the agent chooses to make an example of.   Like any law enforcement agency, you cannot get everyone, nor would you want to, so you do what you can. Politicians make the rules, officers only try to enforce what they can. Officer discretion will usually be the determining factor. I know for a fact of one auctionhouse locally already fined 10k for a first offense selling undocumented old ivory. Probably was over 100, but no documentation. That house will not sell any now, even if you have the documentation. It will only get worse most likely.   There is no doubt in my mind that the others will fall in line also soon or be fined administratively also.   

Forum Timezone: UTC 0
Most Users Ever Online: 4623
Currently Online: 1ned1, tim tomlinson
Guest(s) 861
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
clarence: 7119
TXGunNut: 6448
Chuck: 5856
steve004: 5209
1873man: 4702
deerhunter: 2711
Big Larry: 2556
twobit: 2504
mrcvs: 2212
Maverick: 2042
Newest Members:
Peter Cipollini
Jhark
Oldtimer52
parkerposy
rayhobbs
WebleyScott
Task1
1886
Jerome Stevens
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 18
Topics: 14807
Posts: 132485

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 2057
Members: 10044
Moderators: 3
Admins: 4
Administrators: Mike Hager, Bert H., JWA, SethJ
Moderators: Rob Kassab, Brad Dunbar, Heather
Navigation