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I know most auction houses don’t reference the WACA dom to confirm actual dates of manufacturing and use Madis and other erroneous sources but, this is the first time I’ve seen RIA actually mention WACA so it’s a positive step imo.
Rick C
rogertherelic said
Progress is in the “WORKS”! RDB
That it is Roger. Hope all is well my friend.
Rick C
I have passed out Bert’s info to a couple auction houses but they usually don’t use the info. Where I hang out they go to the WACA site.
That’s exactly what’s needed Chuck. Good for you doing that. They all know the original Winchester records that survived and within the serial number range look up at Cody are the factory correct DOM. Bert did a huge amount of work on that as well as taking a lot of heat by disgruntled owners and sellers who learned their firearm was not antique. This may still be a sore spot with some but, it is what it is.
I firmly believe they do not use them because there sometimes can be a significant difference in value and final sale price or even interest in the auction firearm between antique status and not.
Rick C
Some times I think auction house will use Madis’ info even if it’s wrong to avoid FFL to FFL transfer. Case in pint I bought an 86 that was clearly made in 1899, but Madis says 1898. so they shipped to me direct as antique. Saved paper!!
oldcrankyyankee said
Some times I think auction house will use Madis’ info even if it’s wrong to avoid FFL to FFL transfer. Case in pint I bought an 86 that was clearly made in 1899, but Madis says 1898. so they shipped to me direct as antique. Saved paper!!
That (in my opinion) is a very dangerous thing to do. Both by the auction house and the buyer. As has been stated by many a prosecutor, “ignorance of the law is no excuse”.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Many auction houses, despite having an FFL, often seem to know very little about firearms laws and regulations. I was looking at a 97 that in the description says there is no visible serial number. Since the couple pictures are not only poor, but don’t show the SN area, you have to wonder if they missed it or it’s been removed, making the sale or possession a federal and state felony. Unless Bert can illuminate me as to documented 97’s manufactured with no factory SN’s.
UpInTheBigTrees said
Many auction houses, despite having an FFL, often seem to know very little about firearms laws and regulations. I was looking at a 97 that in the description says there is no visible serial number. Since the couple pictures are not only poor, but don’t show the SN area, you have to wonder if they missed it or it’s been removed, making the sale or possession a federal and state felony. Unless Bert can illuminate me as to documented 97’s manufactured with no factory SN’s.
Nope! All of them entered the factory warehouse with a serial number deeply stamped on the bottom forward edge of the receiver frame. No serial number = an illegally altered gun as of the GCA of 1968.
If you can provide a picture of the slide bar marking and the factory roll markings on the barrel, I can pin down a close estimate of the DOM.
Bert
WACA Historian & Board of Director Member #6571L
Bert H. said
UpInTheBigTrees said
Many auction houses, despite having an FFL, often seem to know very little about firearms laws and regulations. I was looking at a 97 that in the description says there is no visible serial number. Since the couple pictures are not only poor, but don’t show the SN area, you have to wonder if they missed it or it’s been removed, making the sale or possession a federal and state felony. Unless Bert can illuminate me as to documented 97’s manufactured with no factory SN’s.
Nope! All of them entered the factory warehouse with a serial number deeply stamped on the bottom forward edge of the receiver frame. No serial number = an illegally altered gun as of the GCA of 1968.
If you can provide a picture of the slide bar marking and the factory roll markings on the barrel, I can pin down a close estimate of the DOM.
Bert
I’m not interested in their “trench gun”, even if it has a SN, but I sent you a link for your entertainment.
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