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…and Happy Easter,

I am new to the forum, and have a Winchester Model 70 question. Well, I am pretty sure it's a Model 70 but there are a couple of major differences in my receiver. The SN is 115568, which by all means should be a 1949 production receiver. But, the…

…bolt (which is SN matched to the gun) has only 2 lugs (similar to a Rem Model 700 bolt). The extractor is at the bolt face. There is no safety on the shroud, rather a 'thumb' safety on the right side of the tang. There…

…is no notch cut out of the upper rear of the receiver, which allows clearance for the top of a normal Mod 70 bolt. Also, the spring loaded bolt stop is not there, nor was there ever a slot machined for it. The bolt release is standard. The barrel is a

…safely fire form cases from the original to the Ackley Improved version. Here is a very nice 30 inch number 3 barrel 25-35 that I owned in the late 70’s. I didn’t know it was a 25-35 Ackley Improved until I took it out and shot it the first time. It was a nail driver, even with that old

…159,987 in my hands. It is a deluxe model, in very good (nearly mint) condition. It was offered to me for sale at the Timonium gun show for $2,700. I did not have that much cash on me at the time and was promised I could buy it after the show from the seller if someone did not come along with…

…the $2,700 in cash. Of course, some one did. I believe I was told the new buyer was from Sweden.

…about that letter.

Yup, that's my thought as well......I can see a 1893 produced rifle in the 7,000 serial number range, but a rifle with a 700,000 serial number would put it closer to the 1913 production date the book states.

…to the local gun show today and found a couple of 86's that I'm going back to look at tomorrow. One was a solid frame 2/3 mag 45/70 with a 20" barrel. It had to be original just due to barrel wall thickness at the muzzle. The serial was around 154,xxx.

The other was a…

…takedown 45/70 LW but the cool thing was that the serial number was 159,400! Thats the highest I've seen but I'm sure there are higher. From the books I have they

…s. Serial 775687 letters reasonably close - all info including Royal Navy contract G14507 indicates early 1915 - letters as late 1913.

Serial 702780 is 20 years out. Info says 1913 - letter says 1893.

…certainly indicates a guns popularity and reliability, but production numbers (i.e. sales) also come into play.

Yes, and I think the 870 maybe at the top

…to only 5 years.

So that puts the Ithaca model 37 at around 72 years american made and counting

the model 1912 at almost 52 years

the model 870 at 63 years and counting

The model 31 at about 18 years

the model auto 5 at 5 years.

the model 11 at around 48 years

so its still correct to

…I did not know that it would work, given the differences in cartridge length. That makes me wonder what kind of ammunition the chap shot, given the target scope.

Does anyone know when this conversion work was done?

…is not uncommon to find target rifles that were modified by A. G. Parker during the 20's and 30's. Generally they were bolt action rifles, so a Model 1903 is quite unusual. …

…one as is also has a custom stock that looks like a factory Winchester stock, except for the pistol grip and the English Walnut. The Parker Hale Targetscope was also a high-end 8X scope for target shooting. An overkill for a .22? A. G. Parker had a patented method of relining and rifling the

…other shotgun in american history.

To answer your question Rem mod 31 was produced 18yrs until 1949 I believe

When it was replaced by the mod 870 in 1950. Making the 870 the second longest production shotgun in american history at 63 years and counting. The mod12 was produced for 51years

…was an armorer in the USMC for 6yrs. In my humble opinion both the model 12 and and mod 870 are superbly built shotguns. I have never witnessed a catastrophic. failure in an 870. That being said any and all mechanical actions will fail.…

… eventually. In terms of bow many? Well, that is a number for either model or manufacturer I have yet to encounter.

ps: 150 double odd? 870's are far superior than that number.

pps: I have encountered a catastrophic failure in a mossberg 500... took 6 rounds of 2 3/4" #5 shot

…exceptions...

My WRF came with a Lyman tang and I recently added a 1" disk aperture for my over the hill eyes. Helps me acquire the target and focus quicker and easier. Thanks for the additional pics. That's a nice rifle. Something to be excited about!

…. It has been re-chambered to .22LR using a liner and is marked on the muzzle “PARKERIFLED.” It has also been equipped with a Parker, Hale Targetscope. My question, however, pertains to the Winchester markings on the receiver. It has the circled/ovaled “WP,” but also the oval “P,” which I

…H. said

To be just a bit more precise;

38 WCF = .401 (40 rounded)

44 WCF - .429 (43 rounded)

45-70 = .457 (46 rounded)

32 WCF - .319 (32 rounded)

I am wondering about that 32 WCF dimension. I have a drawing of the 32 WCF cartridge and…

…quite a few Winchester bores. I find that the 38 WCF groove diameters are pretty much bang on at .401 as Bert pointed out. Same goes for the 45-70 groove diameters, which always seem to be .457". On the other hand, the 44 WCF Winchester groove diameters seem to be all over the map, as are…

…in 1897) to .383 (made in 1899).

My drawing for the 44 WCF cartridge and chamber dimensions shows the bullet diameter is to be .4240 - .4270 and the groove diameter is to be .4285 to .4305.

My drawing for the 38-55 cartridge and chamber dimensions shows the bullet diameter is to be …

….3740-.3770 (this must be jacketed! a cast bullet that small would lead the bore up in no time flat) and the groove diameter is to be .379-.381.

All

…not match the number. Rounding off to the nearest integer ....

The 38 WCF is really a 40 caliber

The 44 WCF is really a 43 caliber

The 45-70 is really a 46 caliber

The 32 WCF is really a 31 caliber

I am doubtful that it was the writers of the catalogues who added the 'caliber'…

…of Winchester and other gun manufacturers.

To be just a bit more precise;

38 WCF = .401 (40 rounded)

44 WCF - .429 (43 rounded)

45-70 = .457 (46 rounded)

32 WCF - .319 (32 rounded)

Bert

…not match the number. Rounding off to the nearest integer ....

The 38 WCF is really a 40 caliber

The 44 WCF is really a 43 caliber

The 45-70 is really a 46 caliber

The 32 WCF is really a 31 caliber

I am doubtful that it was the writers of the catalogues who added the 'caliber'

…principally the Winchester Model 70 from 1936 through 1963, Roger Rule's book: "The Rifleman's Rifle" remains the seminal publication. Excellent color illustrations plus B…

…amp;W, large amounts of data well integrated with the progressive development and production of the 70 in all its various configurations. It is simply a great no nonsense book. More important it is one of those rare cases where one book nearly does…

…$85 and worth every penny.

An older book, less competent and largely redundant to the 'Rule Book'. is Dean Whitaker's: "The Winchester Model 70 1937 - 1964". Good addition for a very serious 70 collector, but long out of print and disproportionately pricy for the content. If

…off the 45-70 was not a Winchester cartdridge. The designation

of the caliber- powder dates back further than the 44WCF. It would be

very hard or maybe

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…of the old Winchester cartridges.Which had the calibre ,then load of black powder in grains and then grain of the bullet.

For example .45-70-405 means .45 calibre,70 grains of black powber and a 405 grain bullet.

The story told in years gone by was that the .38-40 ,using a .40

…1" aperture disc is the Target disc (has the smallest peep hole diameter). The smaller the outside diameter the disk has, the larger the peep hole diameter is. Lyman made at

…book which gives lots of parts details but is short on production information. That which is there contains errors.

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There is always the "Big Brown Book" of George Madis which, while an impressive undertaking

…was curious what books i should get to better my knowledge on vintage winchesters most notably models 1873, 1894, 1892, 70, and 71 subject matter to include photos of factory correct configurations. serial number dates and some history on models. any suggestions will be

….

In 1958, when I was in high school, I was in a gun shop in Geneva, NY. The proprietor had just purchased (from Bannerman?) a case of 1870 Trapdoor rifles, .50-70. That case was also of white pine, was painted a dark green outside and was unpainted inside. It held 10 rifles. The

… who bought it new. I don't know why it was never used, but it had been in the family since about 1918, I think. I saw the rifle in the late 1970's, but lost track of it after the man died. He had sold it, but his widow could not remember who bought it. There's a long story about why I didn't

…remington 1100

Left handed remington 11-87

2 ithaca 37

Iver johnson champion

to name a few rare birds

in terms of 12ga I only have a rem 870 magnum and a trap grade model 12 win

The other 16ga are run of the mill remingtons nothing special

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…. Not to say all rem calibers are (308win for example), but that one sure is. I have a few 308win chambered remingtons. as well as a win mod 70. Each sit the bench due to a custom Sako A5 Finbear chambered in 7mm rem mag

…1953 vintage Model 94 could have been ordered with a Lyman No. 56 receiver peep sight. You could also put a Redfield 70 series sight on it.

Bert H.